An interview showing Pope Francis answering questions from a group of Belgian young people has been broadcast on the nation’s public Flemish TV station, VRT. The young people, who were accompanied by Bishop Lucas Van Looy of Ghent, put their questions to the Pope in English and he replied in Italian. Their meeting was filmed on March 31st inside the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican.
Link to the original interview can be found here.
The group of Belgian young people included a non-believer who said she was inspired by the words of Pope Francis. When they began by asking the Pope why he accepted this interview, he replied that he considered it highly valuable to speak about the worries of the young. The Pope was then asked : “Are you happy? And why?”
“Absolutely, absolutely (laughing) I’m happy! And it’s a tranquil happiness because at this age one no longer has the same happiness of a young person, there’s a difference. There’s a certain interior peace, a strong sense of peace, of happiness, that comes with age. But it’s a road that has always had problems. Even now there are problems but this happiness doesn’t go away because of the problems. No, it sees the problems, suffers because of them and then goes forward, it does something to resolve them and goes ahead. But in the depth of my heart there is this peace and happiness. It’s truly a grace from God, for me. It’s a grace and it’s not through my own merit.”
The young people next asked the pope what was the reason for his great love for the poor. “Because it’s the heart of the Gospel,” he replied.
“For me, the heart of the Gospel is about the poor. Two months ago, I heard a person who said (on hearing this): ‘But this Pope is a communist!’ But no! This is the banner of the Gospel, not of communism: of the Gospel! But it’s poverty without ideology…. And it’s for this reason that I believe that the poor are at the centre of Jesus’ message. All you have to do is read it. The problem is that this attitude towards the poor has sometimes during history been made the subject of ideology.”
The girl among the group who is a non-believer asked Pope Francis what message he has for all young people:
“We’re all brothers and sisters. Believers, non-believers or whether belonging to this or that religious confession, Jews, Moslems… we’re all brothers and sisters! Human beings are at the centre of history and this for me is really important: humans are at the centre (of society). In this moment of history, humans have been pushed away from the centre, they have slid towards the margins and at the centre --- at least right now --- there’s power, money and we must work on behalf of human beings, for men and women who are the image of God.”
Today, the Pope went on, “we’ve become part of a throw-away culture”: Children are discarded, people don’t want children, or less of them, small families: Old people are also discarded: many elderly people die because of a hidden euthanasia, because nobody takes care of them and they die. And now young people are being discarded.” The Pope noted that the unemployment rate among people below the age of 25 is almost 50 percent but said his meetings with some young Argentine politicians gave him hope and trust.
“And I’m pleased because these young politicians, be they of the left or of the right, they’re speaking a new language, with a new music, a new political style. And this gives me reason to hope. And I believe that nowadays young people must take the lamp and go ahead. They must be courageous! This gives me hope.”
Asked about the search for God, the Pope replied:
“When a person searches for his or herself, they find God. Maybe, they don’t succeed in finding him but they are going along the path of honesty, searching for the truth, for a road of goodness and a road of beauty… they’re on the right road and it’s certain they’ll find God! Sooner or later, they will find him. But the road is a long one and some people don’t find him in their lives. They don’t find him consciously. But they are very true and honest with themselves, very good and lovers of beauty, so that in the end they have a very mature personality, capable of an encounter with God, which is always a grace. Because an encounter with God is a grace.”
A young man asked the Pope what he learnt from his own mistakes. The Pope replied describing mistakes as “great teachers of life”:
"They’re great teachers, they teach you so much. They also humiliate you because somebody may feel a superman, a superwomen … but then you make a mistake and this humiliates you and puts you in your place. I would not say that I have learnt from all my mistakes: No, I believe I haven’t learnt from some of them because I’m stubborn (laughing) and it’s not easy to learn. But I have learnt from many mistakes and that’s been good for me. It’s also a case of recognizing our mistakes. I make a mistake here, I made a mistake there…. And also being careful not to go back and make the same mistake."
A young women asked him: “Do you have a concrete example of how you learnt from a mistake?”
“One example, in the conducting of the Church’s life: I was named Superior (of the Jesuits in Argentina) when very young and I made so many mistakes because of my authoritarianism, for example. I was too authoritarian: at the age of 36… and then, I learnt that one must dialogue, one must listen to how others think…. But I didn’t learn this for ever after! It’s a long road.”
The next question for the Pope is straight to the point: “What frightens you?”
“Well, of myself (laughing) Fear…. But look in the Gospel, ‘Jesus repeats it so often: “Don’t be afraid! Don’t be afraid!’ And he says it many times, doesn’t he? And why’s that? Because he knows that fear is a rather ‘normal’ feeling. We’re afraid of life, we’re afraid when faced with challenges, we’re afraid in front of God. We’re all afraid, all of us. You mustn’t worry about being afraid. You must feel that but not be afraid and then ask yourselves: ‘Why am I afraid?’ And in front of God and in front of yourselves, try to shed light on the situation or ask help from another person. But fear is not a good advisor because it gives you bad advice.”
The pope then goes on to explain that there is “bad fear and good fear.” Good fear is like caution: It helps us not to fall down. And then there is bad fear: This blocks you and doesn’t let you do anything. And you must reject it.
The final question from the young people to the Pope was an unusual one: “Do you have a question for us?”
“The question that I want to ask you is not an original one. I’m taking it from the Gospel. Where is your treasure? That’s my question. Where do you keep your treasure? On what treasure does your heart rest? Because your life will be where your treasure is kept…. This is the question that I’m asking you but you’ll need to reply to it yourselves, on your own (laughing) at home.”
Thought-provoking.
11 comments:
Great stuff and to the point. His Holiness has a personal style that is very unique and straightforward. The issue of the poor are one of his priorities.
Not the questions I would have asked...I would have been a bit harsher...sounds we can get an interview, lets get our people in contact with the Vatican
I have a question. I wonder what would have happened if one of them had asked him to bless their rosary? I guess, though, they would have been frisked for offensive weapons before hand.
also - when will people realise that the Gospel 'poor' are those who need salvation?
I wonder what they will do with their face to face one off off the cuff outside the faith pastoral from the Vicar of Christ?
I'm sorry to be picky here but since when is the heart of the Gospel....the poor?
Thank you for this post Laurence. I find it disappointing that certain comments are so negative. The Holy Father is speaking from the heart to a group of young people, of mixed faith and none,in the short time available and in all the circumstances, I'm sure that his words will bear good fruit.
The poor are at the heart of the Gospel? What gospel is he reading?
This is what I find disappointing:
“And I’m pleased because these young politicians, be they of the left or of the right, they’re speaking a new language, with a new music, a new political style. And this gives me reason to hope. And I believe that nowadays young people must take the lamp and go ahead. They must be courageous! This gives me hope.” (and the rest; they may as well have been interviewing Alinsky for all the Truth they've been taught here).
To hope what? Exactly what is he hoping for? St Paul lays out our hope pretty clearly, Jorge doesn't. This little episode, like so much from Bishop Bergoglio is the blind leading the blind. I really would like to know where and how such a circumstance leads to good fruit?
If anyone who read this post comes away with an understanding that Bishop Bergoglio believes in heaven or hell, or that it is only by the merits of the Sacrifice of the Cross that any immortal soul reaches salvation - please point it out.
this is the big myth of modernism - the myth that charity doesn't need truth. be nice, as they priest said, is the whole of the law.
oh, wait, 'be nice to everyone, except the faithful', is the whole of the law.
And still deafening silence about the new pediatric euthanasia laws----well maybe a feeble attempt with the reference to children being thrown away which might appease the faithful who wish to remain blind.
The recent post was from Kim in Seattle.
Saving souls is the priority. And all the outward signs are that a majority of people are heading to hell, including those who've been baptised into the Church. The duty of the pope is simple but great - and is not related to socio-economic ideologies.
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