Catechism of the Catholic Church (675)

'Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.' ~ Catechism of the Catholic Church (675)

Friday, 10 June 2016

Did the Pope Just Call Cardinal Robert Sarah a Heretic?

18 May 2016

Cardinal Sarah: "In the end, it is God or nothing."

10 June 2016

Pope Francis: "It is not Catholic (to say) ‘or this or nothing:’ This is not Catholic, this is heretical."

In this time of grave crisis within the papacy and the Church, this is going to sound inappropriate but it looks rather like things are about to get interesting.

The gloves are coming off and for Francis, so too is the mask.

It suffices to say that yesterday Pope Francis contrived to present his hearers with a very novel depiction of Our Blessed Lord, Who simply asks from His followers that which they are 'capable' and nothing more. Said His Holiness...

Jesus always knows how to accompany us, he gives us the ideal, he accompanies us towards the ideal, He frees us from the chains of the laws' rigidity and tells us: ‘But do that up to the point that you are capable.’ And he understands us very well. He is our Lord and this is what he teaches us.”

This is not what He teaches us. This statement is - on the face of it - quite brazenly heretical. 'Pastoral Jesus' is not the Jesus of the Church or of the Gospels. Search the Scriptures, delve into the annals of the Church and you will find zero evidence for what His Holiness says whatsoever. This is a complete fabrication, an invention. In fact, Jesus says quite clearly, 'Be perfect as you Heavenly Father is perfect'. Our Lord knows our weakness, yes and says, 'Without me, you can do nothing'. In other words, Jesus can say that without God, you can do nothing because He is God. He says to the woman caught in adultery, 'Go and sin no more'.

If His Holiness offered Mass at Santa Marta today, he will have either heard or read the following from the Gospel of St Matthew...

Jesus said to his disciples, ‘You have learnt how it was said: You must not commit adultery. But I say this to you: if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye should cause you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body thrown into hell. And if your right hand should cause you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body go to hell. It has also been said: Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a writ of dismissal. But I say this to you: everyone who divorces his wife, except for the case of fornication, makes her an adulteress; and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.’

Our Lord, for some reason, neglected to say, after these words, 'in as much as you are capable'. And this is just one of many examples we could submit. Therefore, Pope Francis's fictional Jesus is not the Jesus Christ of the Catholic Church. Ergo, if Pope Francis is espousing a belief in Jesus Christ that differs very radically from the Jesus Christ of the Catholic Church, what does that make Pope Francis? What kind of Catholic, never mind what kind of a Pope, says of the Our Blessed Lord...

'Jesus is a great person! He frees us from all our miseries and from that idealism which is not Catholic.'
'And Jesus said to them, to the Pharisees: ‘you have killed the prophets, you have persecuted the prophets: those who were bringing fresh air.’”

Our Lord never talked about fresh air. However, He did warn us of false prophets and false Christs.

19 comments:

Hans Georg Lundahl said...

No, the pope did not do so.

The antipope Bergoglio did so.

S. Armaticus said...

If your assertion is correct, this would mean that Francis not only knows how to read, but likewise can comprehend. From what he has been saying over the years, this might be a stretch...

Catholic Mission said...

Here are the controversial passages again

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/here-are-controversial-passages-again.html

Satan's Glutton said...

Yeah why doesn't francis do what the greatest prophet born of woman said (instead of killing the prophets and mocking and jailing those who do penance like FFI):

"AND in those days cometh John the Baptist preaching in the desert of Judea. And saying: Do penance: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by Isaias the prophet, saying: A voice of one crying in the desert, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight his paths.

And the same John had his garment of camels' hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins: and his meat was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea, and all the country about Jordan: 6And were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

And seeing many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them: Ye brood of vipers, who hath shewed you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of penance. And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire.

I indeed baptize you in the water unto penance, but he that shall come after me, is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear; he shall baptize you in the Holy Ghost and fire. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his floor and gather his wheat into the barn; but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.

http://biblehub.com/drb/matthew/3.htm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/42914/nuns-forced-to-write-vows-in-blood-and-self-flagellate-daily-in-brutal-rituals/

Ron M said...

No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, that you may be able to endure it

1 Corinthians 10:13

philipjohnson said...

Bones.Another insightful piece of writing about the incongruities and double dealing of this perfidious Pope!The Heretic is Francis himself and i can sense that,yes,his mask is slipping and torrents of abusive bile is yet to issue from his mouth.His time inRome is unravelling and he is falling further and further into the end times of his self inflicted ,demonically inspired Pontificate.God Bless.Phiip Johnson.

Savonarola said...

Jesus is recorded as saying, 'Call no man your father because you have only one father and he is in heaven.' Why do Catholics think that they need not bother following this saying, which seems very clear and straightforward, while others - like the saying about adultery and divorce - they say have to be taken absolutely literally. And would anyone in his right mind ever cut off his right hand or tear out his eye? - yet this saying too seems quite clear. Why are we so inconsistent, not to say hypocritical, in the way we read Scripture?

Robert said...

Quite so. Jesus used hyperbole as a rhetorical device. He preached against divorce and no one would say it is desirable. It is a sad failure of a marriage; but one it has happened, people must be forgiven be allowed a new chance in marriage. People here rail against gayness, but they don't really seem to support marriage either except when it is perfect in its manifestation. Fine; but most people are not perfect. I feel people in this blog want a church of the perfect and like some students of today, are seeking a safe place where they will not be offended- a far cry from the stance of Our Lord.

Anonymous said...

@IC

I've stated this on the Vox Cantoris site and I will state so here.

It is essential that this pope be held accountable publicly for every utterance he makes by comparing each statement he makes with what he papal predecessors say.

This Hireling and his waffle has been indulged for far too long. It is clear that he is adding his own interpretation to age old church teaching. He contradicts church teaching and he contradicts his predecessors. Either 1,900 years of church teaching is correct or Francis is correct. Both cannot be correct

It will take a huge effort but in comparing and contrasting what Francis says with what his predecessors taught, this will force the hierarchy to call Francis to account.


Unknown said...

Bergoglio only insinuated that Sara was a heretic. Big difference.

Seattle kim

Barbara Jensen said...

Yes, things are surely about to get interesting. What comes to my mind are the words of Jesus, "Let you speech be 'Yes! Yes! and No! No!' Anything else is from the evil one." In the murky verboseness of the present bishop of Rome, we found real heresy when labors to understand what he is trying to say. He is much more crafty than people give him credit. He is well equipped to deceive. I do believe that he is referring to Cardinal Sarah. The gloves have come off and orthodox prelates will have to face their martyrdom or fail Christ badly. We are about to separate the men from the mice.

Liam Ronan said...

"...he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God." -
2 Thessalonians 2:4

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI once mused on a uncannily prophetic work of Vladimir Soloviev, i.e. ‘A Short Tale of the Antichrist’. (Soloviev was a Russian writer and mystic.)

Pointing to Soloviev’s recounting of the second temptation of Jesus, then-Cardinal Ratzinger, observed in his 2004 book ‘On the Road toward Christ Jesus’:

“And a phrase of Soloviev’s is illuminating: The Antichrist believes in God, but in the depths of his heart he prefers himself.”

Thomas said...

@Savanarola: Scripture is not all written in the same register and therefore cannot be interpreted in the same way. It is not all "simple and straightforward". This is why Catholics are not "sola Scriptura" Protestants, because the Scriptures are part and parcel of what has been handed down to us from the Apostles. The Church wrote the Scriptures so they can only be interpreted correctly within her Sacred Tradition of liturgical prayer and doctrinal teaching.

@Hans Georg Lindahl: The Pope can be guilty of saying stupid and erroneous things while still being the the real Pope, especially in daily sermons. This is a particularly obvious and explicit example of the current one's increasingly disturbing ramblings. It's a crisis for sure, but sedevacantism is an equal and opposite heresy.

Unknown said...

So Sara and all trads are all possibly heretics in Francis' playbook. Guess what? Now Mary Magdalene is the 13th apostle!! Hooray for
us wymyns!!


https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2016/06/mary-magdalen-raised-to-rank-of-apostole.html?showComment=1465720156059&m=1#c6481448381849029362


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Hans Georg Lundahl said...

@ Savonarola, above answer from Thomas is unnecessarily cryptic.

To make it simple: you do not mean no person can literally at all ever call another person father, a son usually calls his father father.

If you prefer saying he calls his father "daddy", well, some titles of Popes - including "papa" are closer to pa or dad than to father, in Classical Latin.

@Thomas: I am not called Lindahl. Lund and Lind are two different words in Swedish and so Lundahl and Lindahl are two different names.

This guy here would not be very happy to be conflated with me because you cannot keep Lundahl and Lindahl apart.

Actually, you might be French or getting your pokes from some French informers. Most French keep "lun-" un "lundi" as little apart from "lin" in "lingerie", though moon and linen are different concepts, as you differentiate between "bay" and "Bey".

This is not so in most languages.

"The Pope can be guilty of saying stupid and erroneous things while still being the the real Pope, especially in daily sermons."

Sure. And if he is real Pope, he can also be able to understand why such a stupid thing is criticised.

Bergoglio has a track record of keeping on a course which is not that of the Catholic Church.

Also, Roncalli and Wojtyla are not canonisable.

So, there was error on that "four pope day" in 2014. And it was put in a form where a real Pope cannot impose such error. Namely the wording of a canonisation.

If a real priest says the words of consecration over bread and wine within what seems to be a liturgical Mass, we must presume the bread and wine are consecrated.

If a real Pope says the words of canonisation during what seems to be liturgically a canonisation ceremony (kind of depends on whether the Novus Ordo mass said that day seems to be a Mass, but presence of Mass is per se not essential to a valid canonisation) that soul is not only with God but has lived an examplary life, especially in his state of life. If I am validly canonised, it would mean I am an examplary writer, having either never written heresy or later retracted it, and an examplary composer, never having written a lambada, for instance. If I do'nt meet those criteria, I am not canonisable and a Pope canonising me or pretending to do so is no Pope.

So, since Roncalli and Wojtyla were not canonisable, were not examplary Popes, I must conclude Bergoglio was not a Pope.

Sedevacantism being an equal and opposite heresy?

Opposite, yes.

Equal to apostasy? No.

Heresy? You mean because of "perpetuous successores"? Well, since adhering to Pope Michael (prudentially at present), I don't believe the See is strictly speaking vacant.

Thomas said...

My apologies for misspelling your name Mr. Lundahl. And also for calling your a sedevacantist when you are in fact a schismatic.

"David Allen Bawden (born September 22, 1959 in Oklahoma City), who takes the name Pope Michael, is an American citizen and a conclavist claimant to the papacy. He stated in 2009 that he had approximately 30 'solid' followers. Bawden was elected by a group of six laypeople, which included himself and his parents, who had come to believe that the Catholic Church had seceded from the Catholic faith post-Vatican II, and that there had been no legitimate Popes elected since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958. In 1975, Bawden and his family began to follow the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). Bawden attended the SSPX seminary in Écône, Switzerland and Saint Joseph's Priory, Armada, Michigan, but was dismissed from the seminary in 1978." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bawden

Just so we all know where we stand.

Unknown said...

There's a documentary about "Pope" Michael and one of his protégés and his momma on YouTube. Kinda humorous but kinda sweet too.

LOL--his parents elected him pope!! But he is dead serious about it all and I respect him for that. I heard he finally got himself ordained a few years ago. Not sure which sede bishop did that. Must've been one with old age dementia.

I have 2 adult sons. I think I know which one should be pope and it's not the the one living in the fraternity house.

Seattle Kim

Unknown said...

P.S. He says in his documentary that he (Bawden) left Econe because they had become too modernist.

Seattle Kim

Scelata said...

"Did the Pope just....?"
Glad I wasn't the only one who asked that question.
(Save the Liturgy, Save the World)

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