Interesting question. Now that we know that the Salvation of Jews does not depend on faith in the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity, we can dare to ask the question: 'Can a Catholic be righteous in the Sight of God?' I look forward to the next Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews document to fill us in.
Apparently, according to at least one Jewish sect - and a powerful one at that - Chabad Lubavitch, the answer is yes, which for us Catholics - though we are known only as Gentiles, will come as a great relief. Apparently, you can be righteous in God's sight, as long as you follow the Noahide Laws, as one Italian Catholic, who enquired to the organisation about becoming a Jew, discovered.
Of course, some 'rigid', 'fundamentalist' types might believe there may be some conflict between being 'righteous' by following the Noahide Laws and proclaiming faith in the Saviour of all mankind, Our Lord Jesus Christ, because a proportion of Jews (it's so unfair to treat them en masse as a block, don't you think?) may well regard faith in Jesus Christ as somewhat idolatrous or blasphemous, but the Pontifical Commission will, I am sure, fill us in on the details and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. These are just petty details that can be ironed out later on when we are all 'united'.
I'm sure that Our Blessed Lord - and St Paul - had much to say on these matters, but we've moved on now and we're not so 'self-enclosed' as we once were. I'll let Rabbi Aaron L. Raskin fill you in for the next two or three hours on how you, as a Gentile, as a Catholic indeed, can be made righteous in God's sight, here, here and here.
After all, if the Catholic Faith - if Faith in the the only Begotten Son of the Eternal Father is no longer necessary for Jews to attain Salvation, there's no reason faith in the only Begotten Son of the Eternal Father is necessary for Gentiles either - even Catholics. So let's all just be righteous together and be righteous dudes and dudesses. Then, at last, we will be united and the world will have peace. Quite why the Church is telling Jews they can have Eternal Life without the Divine Faith of Christ is a mystery in itself, because Jews don't seem to believe in Eternal Life nor in the Man Who promises it to those who are faithful to Him. Why does the Vatican want to tell Jews they can have something they don't even believe in or even want? Jews don't believe in Salvation in the sense in which Jesus taught it, if at all. The question is: Do we?
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Mr. England, this is the best post I´ve ever read on your blog!
I would like to ask the following question: Which rabbi has written the latest “Catholic” document on the Jews that was published on Dec 10. by the Vatican?
I would bet it was Rabbi Rosen who knows the Catholic faith better than most Catholics but doesn’t´want to convert because he wants to believe what the “Jewish sages” said about Jesus in the Talmud. Eventually he was assisted by Rabbi Koch, oops, I mean by Cardinal Koch.
It is a pity that 99,9% of the temporary Catholics don´t understand that the latest document on “Christian-Jewish dialogue” is a Talmudic-Jewish document to the core made to look somewhat Catholic.
If you want to know how and why the Jews managed that “Nostra Aetate” came to pass you should read this:
http://hebrewjudaic.as.nyu.edu/docs/IO/22101/BialerNostraAetate.pdf
Again, you speak the truth. Simple, obvious truth which flows necessarily from the Faith, from Revelation. The truth is being banned in more and more places - Lord, have mercy.
Hello, Martina Katholik! It's been a long time since I saw a comment from you on English sites. I've missed you. I suggested you to the Remnant to translate the petition to Pope Francis into German. God bless you and your family!
Call Me Jorge blog has been covering this issue for the past three years
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/search/label/noahide
Vatican Document on the Jews :Pope Francis and the Vatican is 'under seige and surrender', in submission to Satan's lobby
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/pope-francis-and-vatican-is-under-seige.html
I am waiting for Rome to tell us that following Islam as one of the Abrahamic faiths will save us. We can then all convert to Islam, invite ISIS home, adopt Sharia and generally save a lot of bother.
Maybe it's less religious than political....in the centuries that Christendom was safe and confident, in the decades that Catholics have mostly been safe from persecution in Protestant countries, the Church was not afraid to seem "different". But now there is a new and deadly threat. Perhaps there is a reaching-out to other denominations and other faiths, and to other political systems, in response to that threat.
In the hope of another Charles Martel emerging, perhaps.
All heretics, and the Jews who have not accepted Catholicism are heretics, as are protestants etc., etc., are in the same category, Jews are no different from any other heretics.
If they are guilty of Objective heresy, fine, there is hope. If of Formal heresy, which is probably not so on the cases cited here, that is a different matter.
Reaching out to other faiths means making this clear to them.
Since the religion of Rabbinicalism views Catholicism as an heretical Jewish sect, who cares what Raskin thinks. The Novus Ordo, via its revelation of VII and its inclusive worship which includes portions from the Rabbis' siddur - 'work of human hands...' - is trying to remove every element that the Rabbis would consider heretical in order to be good little goys and shiksas by supporting, either directly, or indirectly, the rejection of Christ, the Holy Trinity, and the Precious Blood.
PS. The tetragrammaton - the four letter name of God that the Israelites were given is made up of the letter 'yud' = hand; 'heh' = behold; 'vav' = nail; and another 'heh' = behold.
Behold the hand, behold the nail. In the very name of God Moses and the Prophets used.
You simply cannot comprehend the degeneracy and chaos of liberalism without understanding the role of Talmudic Judaism in the world today.
I won't say anymore as the implications of that fact lead us to places many of us are too cowardly to go.
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It is sort of unfortunate that Catholics will be executed for idolatry under the Noahide Laws but we are al happy to see that has not stopped Catholic Prelates from supporting them
Why is the Vatican doing this?
Maybe it is simply a matter of anthropocentric survival for Israel has nukes targeting Rome as part of their Samson Option and maybe the Vatican is afraid to anger the insane and malign rulers of Israel who might not take kindly the attempt of Catholics to convert Jews and so Israel might feel it necessary to have the Vatican Blowed-up.
Maybe the Shadow Church fears Jews more than it fears God (if they did, at least Fear of the Jews would prove one connection with Tradition)
Noahide Laws
http://www.fisheaters.com/jc2.html
Hello Mr. England,
I am definitely not enamoured of Pope Francis. However, I desperately trying to keep an open mind... and as such am following the blog of one of his Missionaries of Mercy. It is quite a challenging blog...
I don't know if you allow links on your site, but here is the link to his blog for his post on the jewish-catholic dialogue. I find it "edifying".
http://ariseletusbegoing.com/2015/12/14/my-hopes-for-jewish-catholic-dialogue-tell-the-truth/
Talmudic Judaism teaches that Mary was knocked up by a Roman soldier and that Jesus is now boiling in human excrement in hell. Islam is actually more respectful of Christianity in it's teachings.
Seattle Kim
Fascinating stuff, Mr. V!!
Seattle kim
Wait no more, Mr. B. Catechism
#841 which is verbatim from Vat 2 states:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims.
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Seattle kim
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Wait no more, Mr. B. Catechism
#841 which is verbatim from Vat 2 states:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims.
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Lionel:
Yes the plac of salvation also includes Muslims and Jews and they need to formally enter the Church for salvation, they 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
So according to Vatican Council II all Muslims need to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell and so do Jews.
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Cindy Wooden would not know of any exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/cindy-wooden-cannot-know-of-any.html
Catholics are 'the new people of God ','the Church is the new people of God', the new Chosen People, the Elect, outside of which there is no salvation -Nostra Aetate 4, Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/catholics-are-new-people-of-god-church.html
The Koran reckons the mother of Jesus of Nazareth is the sister of Moses. It also reckons the Holy Trinity is ****. I reckon the Talmud and the Koran are kith and kin...they may not be kissing cousins but the Friday people and the Saturday people are agreed - the Sunday people must become dimmis or dead or convert. That the Friday people and the Saturday people already consider the Sunday people dimmis by default is inarguable.
Get this: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/16/professor-suspended-after-saying-christians-muslims-have-same-god/77418168/
Imagine anyone in the Novus Ordo Institution getting suspended for preaching such a lie? Me neither.
From the late Catholic writer, Jean Madiran:
http://www.theeye-witness.blogspot.com/2013/10/jean-madiran-romes-other-secret-accord.html
"Can a Catholic Be Righteous in the Sight of God?"
I suppose we'll just have to rely on the 'circumcision of desire'! :-)
I know: it's tragic, not comic; but still, we have to laugh in order not to cry, as a Greek proverbial phrase puts it.
Circumcision of desire--hahaha! Well if we can have baptism of desire, can I then just have Eucharist of desire. or matrimony of desire, better yet--holy orders of desire?
Seattle k
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