Catechism of the Catholic Church (675)

'Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.' ~ Catechism of the Catholic Church (675)

Monday, 2 March 2015

Up North

I am off to the North for a week.

Cardinal Raymond Burke will be in the region during my stay and I am taking my video camera with me. I am hoping and praying that I will be afforded the opportunity of an interview with him.

If so, it will appear on The Guild of Blessed Titus website.

God bless readers.

Rorate Caeli has an interview with His Eminence today which makes for interesting reading.

13 comments:

Catholic Mission said...

You will not talk to him about this, I am sure.

Marchetti’s false premise has been accepted by the Magisterium

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/marchettis-false-premise-has-been.html

Fr. Stephen Brown said...

Welcome to civilisation :P
I'm greatly looking forward to meeting His Eminence on Saturday at the SPUC youth conference.

rosaMaria said...

Bon-voyage; Jesus, Mary and Joseph bless and protect you!!...

Unknown said...

I think I've mentioned he was my bishop while I lived in St. Louis. Soft spoken and humble man---not afraid of controversy. Would not allow any pro-abort politicians to take Communion . Wouldn't even allow Sheryl Crowe to give a benefit concert for Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital because of her outspoken support for abortion----boy did he catch hell for that from Catholics, the medical community and the press. But he was right! Even my agnostic husband was impressed after meeting him. I feel so blessed to have had him as my bishop and especially proud of him now. As a convert, I might be in danger of losing my faith under Pope Francis but for prelates like Burke, Cordileone, Athanasius Schneider, etc.

Seattle kim, pediatric nurse

Catholic Mission said...


Cuuld you discuss this with His Eminence?

Cardinal Raymond Burke approved Fr. John Hardon's error

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/cardinal-raymond-burke-approved-fr-john.html

viterbo said...

Good hunting. If you are successful, and there is leisure to ask, please inquire as to his understanding of a heretic being self-convicted (wish is was a joke, but this stuff needs to be addressed.)

Catholic Mission said...


What was Fr. Hardons error that Cd. Burke approved? Just trying to keep up.

Lionel:
Fr.John Hardon's error was that he made an irrational inference. He assumed that being saved in invincible ignorance or with implicit desire referred to personally known, nameable cases in the present times.This was a false inference.This then became a false premise for him. Since he concluded that these cases of persons saved, this category of people, now in Heaven, were explicit exceptions to all needing the baptism of water, in the present times.They were exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. So based on the wrong premise, he wrongly concluded that every one did not defacto, in the present times, need to enter the Church for salvation. He used an irrational premise ( the dead-saved are visible on earth) which resulted in an irrational conclusion ( everyone does not have to defacto enter the Church).

Since he assumed that salvation in Heaven is explicit for us, those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance, became exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So for him every one did not have to become a formal member of the Church, but only they had to, who were not in invinciblle ignorance.While those who knew about Jesus and the Church and yet did not enter were on the way to Hell.So he changed the original teaching which said all with Original Sin need the baptism of water.

This was the original mistake made by the Holy Office and the Archdiocese of Boston in 1949 when they assumed that a category of people now in Heaven were objective exceptions on earth to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Fr.Hardon wrote an article on outside the Church there is no salvation in which he repeated this mistake.Also as a consultant to the Holy See on the Catechism of the Catholic Church he let this error pass conspicuously in CCC 1257 (The Necessity of Baptism) and with confusion in CCC 846 (Outside the Church No Salvation).

Cardinal Raymond Burke approved this article by Fr.Hardon. Cardinal Buke also recommends the Catechism of the Catholic Church which incorporates this confusion while he has never affirmed the traditional strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This is also observed in Cardinal Raymond Burke's criticism of Vatican Council II. Salvation in Heaven is an explicit exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma. So LG 16,LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to visible in the flesh cases in 2015. Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors for Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke. It is a break with the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities.This was also Fr.John Hardon's mistake.

If salvation in Heaven was not explicit, seen in the flesh for them, then there would be nothing in Vatican Counicl II to contradict the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Vatican Council II would be Feeneyite.It would not contradict the traditional teaching on non Catholics needing to convert into the Church to avoid Hell. Since the ecclesiology would still be traditional.-Lionel Andrades

Paul Hellyer said...

This a private note to Seattle Kim. Hi I lived in seattle in the 60s. I knew a lady called Helen Gervais. Have you heard of her?

Lynda said...

Salvation by baptism other than water or martyrdom for the True Faith is theoretical as one can never be certain that the criteria were actually satisfied in a given case.

viterbo said...

@Catholic Mission: Interesting. To teach a 'dogma' of exceptions from dogma, is a bit mad. I never knew Fr Hardon taught 'this'. A bit confused about how 'Feenyism' can be used as an example. The Church's doctrine on baptism of blood and invincible ignorance were what Feeny was trying to run-over with his personal dogma on salavation. At any rate, Bergoglio's usurpation of the satanic beheading of people by muslims because they were deemed to be Christians is an appalling piece of political usury.

Unknown said...

To Paul--looks like their is a Helen Gervais who is president of the Seattle Children's Hospital Guild Association. Might this be her? I don't work at the hospital---I work in home care.

Seattle kim

Catholic Mission said...

Salvation by baptism other than water or martyrdom for the True Faith is theoretical as one can never be certain that the criteria were actually satisfied in a given case
Lionel:
Agreed Lynda.We cannot know if that person also received the baptism of water.

Catholic Mission said...

Viterbo:

Interesting. To teach a 'dogma' of exceptions from dogma, is a bit mad.

Lionel:
Exactly the dogma did not mention any exceptions.
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I never knew Fr Hardon taught 'this'.
Lionel:
For Fr.John Hardon the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were exceptions to the strict interpretatiion of the dogma. He affirms this in an article which can be read on line. He also over looked this error in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257).He was a consultant on the Catechism.
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A bit confused about how 'Feenyism' can be used as an example.
Lionel:
Feeneyism affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma.There are no explicit exceptions.
So if LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 are not explciit for us in 2015 ( and they are not) then there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict Feeneyism.
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The Church's doctrine on baptism of blood and invincible ignorance were what Feeny was trying to run-over with his personal dogma on salvation.
Lionel:
That's one version.
Another is that Fr.Feeney was saying there is no salvation outside the Church. While Cardinals Marchetti and Cushing were saying there is salvation outside the Church.
We now know that Fr.Feeney was correct.
1.Since the cardinals in 1949 did not personally know of any person saved outside the Church i.e without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
2) Also no magisterial document before 1949 stated that there were explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.They only mention the being saved in invincible ignorance etc and this could include the baptism of water.
So there was no magisterial precedent for the cardinals who gave us a new doctrine and rejected the dogma with an inter office letter from the Holy Office in 1949.
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At any rate, Bergoglio's usurpation of the satanic beheading of people by muslims because they were deemed to be Christians is an appalling piece of political usury.

Lionel:
Without the premise from 1949, without the irrational inference, without the 'explicit exceptions, Vatican Council II is saying in Ad Gentes 7 that all Muslims need to formally convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. There are also no exceptions to the dogma in Vatican Council II.
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