tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post8353712445128746686..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: The Ideological War in the Church as expressed through Sacred VestmentsThe Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-13876137587761066502014-09-30T07:02:52.733+01:002014-09-30T07:02:52.733+01:00Horrible Liturgy and Horrible vestments will be re...Horrible Liturgy and Horrible vestments will be repulsive to the East....<br /><br />I can sum up this pontificate in two words: ostentatious humiityПравославный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-53633461164710057222014-09-30T07:01:09.148+01:002014-09-30T07:01:09.148+01:00Horrible Liturgy and Horrible vestments will be re...Horrible Liturgy and Horrible vestments will be repulsive to the East....Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-68766020943666241412014-09-27T23:33:53.003+01:002014-09-27T23:33:53.003+01:00Yours is a very valid point, Laurence. To make suc...Yours is a very valid point, Laurence. To make such a song and dance of not wearing papal vestments, and to single out for repeated criticism those who follow the established tradition in such matters, is emphasising preoccupation with symbols while pretending to reject them.<br />For any holder of high office, making an effort to be like the rest of men (and sniping at those who do not follow into line with you) is a bit like its opposite - thanking God that one is not like the rest of men.<br />I've forgotten the name for this - it begins with an H, I think :-)John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-35832087233528188242014-09-27T19:25:35.968+01:002014-09-27T19:25:35.968+01:00The Supreme Pontiff may be ignorant of or opposed ...The Supreme Pontiff may be ignorant of or opposed to the Deposit of Faith. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33355863268866804312014-09-27T14:14:28.183+01:002014-09-27T14:14:28.183+01:00The irony here is Pope Francis is really the peaco...The irony here is Pope Francis is really the peacock with his endless, manufactured displays of "humility" and his propensity to gravitate to anyone holding a camera or microphone and spout off.<br /><br />The theme of his pontificate should be "look at me!"JTLiuzzanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-71397646876636517132014-09-27T00:54:37.827+01:002014-09-27T00:54:37.827+01:00Great assessment! The Holy Father needs our praye...Great assessment! The Holy Father needs our prayers now, more than ever.<br />XFitr4Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09833817027885128392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-77490347721416878152014-09-27T00:47:32.267+01:002014-09-27T00:47:32.267+01:00Off topic - very funny choice of photos for your h...Off topic - very funny choice of photos for your headline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-22083571394946795782014-09-26T23:32:19.784+01:002014-09-26T23:32:19.784+01:00Oh a Troll - don't feed him!
My parish priest...Oh a Troll - don't feed him!<br /><br />My parish priest wears what is put out for him by the sacristan on duty. A little like the previous successor of Peter who wore the outrageous and expensive modern concoctions of P Marini and the historic (and modern) vestments of G Marini. I find it dull that the current successor of Peter has makes clothes an issue, it is bit of vanity which is I hope peculiar to this Pope, roll on re-union with the East.Aaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-91574600675217068952014-09-26T23:10:16.377+01:002014-09-26T23:10:16.377+01:00You're dead on mark with this post...Pope Fran...You're dead on mark with this post...Pope Francis is absolutely not in continuity with his predecessors...(in general)...let us double our prayers for him. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33418723250597233622014-09-26T21:56:30.258+01:002014-09-26T21:56:30.258+01:00@Fidelity Always:
If this blog is indeed 'moc...@Fidelity Always:<br /><br />If this blog is indeed 'mocking' then it would seem that Lawrence is doing a good job of welcoming HH Francis's teaching and preaching. It's quite apparent to many that Pope Francis himself mocks the Catholic tradition and the office of the Pope on a regular basis - he who is charged to be the servant, not the master, of tradition. <br /><br />Oh, and do keep up, the title of 'Patriarch of the West' was dropped several years back, not that HH Francis would probably mind - just humble old Bishop of Rome is quite sufficient...<br /><br />You didn't answer my question about the nature of the fidelity you proclaim. Perhaps, like so many of our Bishops these days, your fidelity lies with the fads of whichever Pope happens to be in office, rather than with the timeless tradition of Holy Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-72051245586519239802014-09-26T18:30:14.798+01:002014-09-26T18:30:14.798+01:00Annie
By the way, no one has suggested we worship...Annie<br /><br />By the way, no one has suggested we worship The Pope, and it was that aspect Peter was objecting to. However, The New Testament testifies as to why Peter was properly welcomed, and why his preaching, and teaching was listened to. Unless you are not a member of an Ecclesial Body in Communion with Rome, you probably wouldn't accept the primacy of the Successor of St Peter.<br /><br />At the time Laurence became a Catholic, he said he did.Fidelity Alwaysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-39504256457416347872014-09-26T18:20:27.301+01:002014-09-26T18:20:27.301+01:00Great post, Laurence! I particularly like the comm...Great post, Laurence! I particularly like the comment about the 'bunch of fragrant roses' brought out by HH to share with us from his meditations. That is an excellent image inspired by one sentence---amusing and thought-provoking.<br /><br />Your honeymoon break must have been refreshing!<br />God bless....Mary Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177771196355631149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-16385344165926243672014-09-26T17:24:00.708+01:002014-09-26T17:24:00.708+01:00Annie
If the thesis Laurence presents about papal...Annie<br /><br />If the thesis Laurence presents about papal attire and vestments is correct, then I guess Laurence does get it either.<br /><br />However, with regards as to whether we should, as it were, sit at the feet of Peter: <br /><br />Jesus said, ‘You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church.’ <br /><br /> And a quote I lifted: "After his resurrection in a moving and tender conversation with Peter, Jesus delegates his job as shepherd of the sheep to Peter himself. In John 21.15-17 Jesus solemnly commands Peter three times to ‘Feed his sheep and take care of his lambs.’ So in three powerful images Jesus hands over his own authority not only to all twelve apostles, but in a special way to Peter. Peter is–like Abraham, the spiritual father and rock of the People of God. He is to be the Prime Minister of the Kingdom in Jesus’ absence, and Peter is to take charge as the chief shepherd of the flock for Jesus. How exciting that Jesus–knowing he would return to his Father in heaven–set up this earthly system to continue his presence and power on earth."<br /><br />And from The Catechism of The Catholic Church: "The episcopal college and its head, the Pope <br /><br />880 When Christ instituted the Twelve, "he constituted [them] in the form of a college or permanent assembly, at the head of which he placed Peter, chosen from among them."398 Just as "by the Lord's institution, St. Peter and the rest of the apostles constitute a single apostolic college, so in like fashion the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, and the bishops, the successors of the apostles, are related with and united to one another."399 <br /><br />881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.400 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head."401 This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope. <br /><br />882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."403 <br /><br />883 "The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, as its head." As such, this college has "supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff."404<br /><br />Fidelity Alwaysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-82640598052519089152014-09-26T17:08:02.820+01:002014-09-26T17:08:02.820+01:00Fidelity Always,
"At whose feet did he sit, ...Fidelity Always,<br /><br />"At whose feet did he sit, it wasn't the Successor of St. Peter!" <br /><br /><br />"When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshipped him. But Peter lifted him up, saying, 'Stand up; I too am a man.'" - Acts 10: 25-26. <br /><br />It's nice that Laurence gets it. It's sad that you don't. Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02198419417921454525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-41336184603635032362014-09-26T17:04:44.896+01:002014-09-26T17:04:44.896+01:00It is not a silly comment. This thread is mocking:...It is not a silly comment. This thread is mocking:<br /><br />His Holiness The Pope; Bishop Of Rome And Vicar Of Jesus Christ; Successor Of St. Peter, Prince Of The Apostles; Supreme Pontiff Of The Universal Church; Patriarch Of The West; Servant Of The Servants Of God; Primate Of Italy; Archbishop And Metropolitan Of The Roman Province; Sovereign Of Vatican City State and suggesting this dedicated servant, of 77 years, with many as Priest and Bishop lack the knowledge, integrity and judgement to lead the Church, and celebrate the liturgy, as he was appointed to do, and it was to him, not Laurence, that Jesus said "You are peter, and on this Rock I will build my Church. <br /><br />I am making a serious point on a flippant and totally disrespectful thread, but then I have not been schooled by people wiser that The Pope, the College of Bishops, or The wider Magisterium, in whatever parish Laurence lives in, and clearly not read the same books, or seemingly prayed as well, or reflected as well, as Laurence.<br /><br />And neither I, nor the Supreme Pontiff, are as humble or self effacing as Laurence.Fidelity Alwaysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-21554722055717939812014-09-26T16:47:34.647+01:002014-09-26T16:47:34.647+01:00@Fidelity Always: why don't you provide a more...@Fidelity Always: why don't you provide a more thoughtful response, rather than wasting valuable combox space with silly comments like this? Go on, explain exactly what you mean and why then perhaps you'll get a response or initiate a useful discussion. And while you're at it, perhaps you could clarify for the rest of us the object of this fidelity you advertise? To The Tablet, perhaps? Please enlighten us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-79040119357107966282014-09-26T16:23:37.606+01:002014-09-26T16:23:37.606+01:00Lawrence,once again you are right about the bishop...Lawrence,once again you are right about the bishop of rome!He is a break with the past and,very much,a vatican 11 hippy 1970s cleric .The vestments are a sign of the glorious nature of the mystical body of christ and of the nature of the priesthood .Different vestments for the differing times of the liturgical year ,eg ember days of autumn -as one example.If the current incumbent in rome can't be bothered about the church then he should hand the keys back to one who does care about the glory of the church.That person is still living and is not too far away from his Humbleness.God help us.Keep writing Lawrence-great blog indeed. Philip Johnson.philipjohnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128964006463059159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-1795953543019803042014-09-26T14:59:51.087+01:002014-09-26T14:59:51.087+01:00The author of this blog, knows better that The Sup...The author of this blog, knows better that The Supreme Pontiff, and The College of Bishops?<br /><br />He also claims to be a Traditional Catholic. At whose feet did he sit, it wasn't the Successor of St Peter!<br /><br />Fidelity Alwaysnoreply@blogger.com