tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post688512624880130958..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: Pope Francis Taking Ecumensim to a New LevelThe Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-65743449897503846312013-10-02T05:50:03.173+01:002013-10-02T05:50:03.173+01:00Perhaps he is influenced by the appalling history ...Perhaps he is influenced by the appalling history of proselytism in Argentina where under the constitution everyone had to be a Catholic. Incidentally under that constitution piracy was not allowed without the permission of the president!Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-15193676680571779352013-10-02T05:46:59.315+01:002013-10-02T05:46:59.315+01:00Oh dear, another muddle. To-day La Stampa quotes ...Oh dear, another muddle. To-day La Stampa quotes him as saying: "The Church does not grow through proselytism but through witness" see:<br />http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/santa-marta-28258/<br /><br />The problem is that "proselytism" seems to have acquired a new meaning. It is worth reading the Wikipedia article on this at:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism<br /><br />Muddle, muddle, muddle. Should not someone explain to him that he needs to define what he means by proselytism - that is if he actually said that?Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-27758886948106248572013-10-01T14:57:41.758+01:002013-10-01T14:57:41.758+01:00And now: "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it ...And now: "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense".Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664129156841386638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-55309928231342355912013-10-01T14:03:36.447+01:002013-10-01T14:03:36.447+01:00“I believe I have already said that our goal is no...“I believe I have already said that our goal is not to proselytize but to listen to needs, desires and disappointments, despair, hope. We must restore hope to young people, help the old, be open to the future, spread love. Be poor among the poor. We need to include the excluded and preach peace,” he stated. <br /><br />Text from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/10/01/pope_shares_his_vision,_reform_of_church_with_italian_daily/en1-733344 <br />of the Vatican Radio website Martina Katholikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07891671172843888683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-62834927575147335992013-09-30T10:12:38.478+01:002013-09-30T10:12:38.478+01:00Rabbi Skorka told reporters after the audience tha...Rabbi Skorka told reporters after the audience that the pope looked "very well" and was "wonderful" as pope.<br /><br />However, "you don't need my opinion," the rabbi said. "You can see with your own eyes the success, the spiritual success," he has achieved through his words, manners and even "revolutionary acts," presumably including the pope's decision not to live in the Apostolic Palace.<br /><br />The rabbi said he is not at all surprised with the new pope's popularity.<br /><br />Not only will Pope Francis continue on in the same vein, the rabbi predicted, but he will be "emphasizing changes, accepting challenges more and more, undoubtedly with God's help and God's blessings."<br /><br />Then-Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio and Rabbi Skorka shared a passion for soccer and worked together for years to bring Catholics and Jews closer together after some episodes of less-than-cordial relations in Argentina.<br /><br />The Pontifical Catholic University of Argentina, which Pope Francis oversaw, awarded Rabbi Skorka an honorary doctorate in 2012, which, the rabbi said, was a watershed moment and could never have been done just a decade before. The achievement was a "revolution" brought on specifically "by Bergoglio," he said.<br /><br />http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1302556.htm<br />Martina Katholikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07891671172843888683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-3163432317696361422013-09-30T09:37:09.254+01:002013-09-30T09:37:09.254+01:00I think we need to remind ourselves of Benedict XV...I think we need to remind ourselves of Benedict XVI's friendship with Rabbi Jacob Neusner author of "A Rabbi talks with Jesus". In Chapter 4 p.103 of "Jesus of Nazareth" (first volume) Benedict mentions how he was greatly helped by him and he gives a very enlightening view of how a faithful Rabbi sees Jesus. I believe Rabbi Neusner visited Benedict in the Vatican soon after his election. That Chapter 4 is well worth reading as he shows how the Church should develop the message of the Torah and that there are things we need to take from the Torah such as support for the concept of the Sabbath and the importance of the Family.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-27535198722908751152013-09-30T09:16:27.082+01:002013-09-30T09:16:27.082+01:00I missed this:
“We come together without burying ...I missed this:<br /><br />“We come together without burying our identities. I spoke to him about evangelization, and he stated emphatically that the Catholic Church cannot engage in proselytism”, he said...'<br /><br />If true, this is as explicit a rejection of Christ's Great Commission as one could fear from a Pope.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664129156841386638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-84210228779248119262013-09-30T09:14:21.022+01:002013-09-30T09:14:21.022+01:00And NRC rejoiced when he first said it in August: ...And NRC rejoiced when he first said it in August: http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/pope-francis-encounterMartina Katholikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07891671172843888683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-76990757664425569202013-09-30T09:12:46.755+01:002013-09-30T09:12:46.755+01:00My great-great grandfather who left Judaism to bec...My great-great grandfather who left Judaism to become a Christian and who earned the ostracism of his family obviously shouldn't have bothered...<br /><br />This hurts very, very much.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664129156841386638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-83495824307436637932013-09-30T09:07:57.013+01:002013-09-30T09:07:57.013+01:00CNS also said that he said it in August:
Pope Fran...CNS also said that he said it in August:<br />Pope Francis said, "Do you need to convince the other to become Catholic? No, no, no! Go out and meet him, he is your brother. This is enough. Go out and help him and Jesus will do the rest.<br />http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1303392.htm<br />Martina Katholikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07891671172843888683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-64902987991587344842013-09-30T09:05:45.763+01:002013-09-30T09:05:45.763+01:00This seems like indifferentism. The Pope is not he...This seems like indifferentism. The Pope is not helping the salvation of his friend's soul or the salvation of souls in his care, or generally, by this kind of activity. Time to put his responsibilities as Pope before his personal satisfaction. It is putting being liked by men before obedience to God. Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714204002726632689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-77261821820547693382013-09-30T09:04:37.317+01:002013-09-30T09:04:37.317+01:00@ Elizabeth and Bones:
Pope Francis said this befo...@ Elizabeth and Bones:<br />Pope Francis said this before, link with video on his speech included<br />http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.de/2013/08/when-you-meet-needy-your-heart-grows.html:<br /><br />"Does this mean going to convince someone to become became Catholic? No, no, no! You are just reaching out to meet him, he is your brother! That is enough. You reach out to help them, the rest is done by Jesus, by the Holy Spirit."Martina Katholikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07891671172843888683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33056392430726176142013-09-29T22:53:56.481+01:002013-09-29T22:53:56.481+01:00“we are creating a dialogue that has not existed f...“we are creating a dialogue that has not existed for centuries”<br /><br />True and that is good. It should have existed as from the beginning.<br /><br />Dialogue must now resume and it must be explained to the Jewish Faith that Christ came to fulfil the Old Testament, that although The Father spoke through the prophets in the Old Testament, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, fulfilled the message, by his life, teaching, death and resurrection in the New Testament.<br /><br />Judaism, however belatedly, must recognise and accept that clear and undisputable fact. <br /><br />Furthermore, Christ established, with Peter and his Successors, as its head, the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church for the Redemption of Mankind, including Judaism. <br /><br />So Judaism must now address itself to union with, and acceptance of, the Teachings of the Magisterium, of the Catholic Church.Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-91819053879715528032013-09-29T22:42:25.223+01:002013-09-29T22:42:25.223+01:00"It could be the Pope never said that, or tha..."It could be the Pope never said that, or that he has misinterpreted what the Pope said to him."<br /><br />Indeed!<br />I think that by now we should all be aware that reports of what Pope Francis is claimed to have said need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt. Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-55905215303801506332013-09-29T18:34:31.137+01:002013-09-29T18:34:31.137+01:00Proselytism has been a dirty word for decades sin...Proselytism has been a dirty word for decades since, oh, I would guess the 1960s. All it really means is attempting to convert people, but it acquired implications of pressurising or forcing conversion at some stage.<br /><br />Evangelisation is nicer and was once famously (but I forget by whom) defined as 'Being nice to people and hoping they'll guess why'.Celiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06604937234890307888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-45530262453792413152013-09-29T17:57:10.032+01:002013-09-29T17:57:10.032+01:00When the tw of them go to the holy Land together, ...When the tw of them go to the holy Land together, I hope they go to Shechem (Nablus) sacred to both traditions.C&Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015001962081218050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-48120241976815304312013-09-29T17:00:24.345+01:002013-09-29T17:00:24.345+01:00I see.... so Our Blessed Lord, the King of Heaven ...I see.... so Our Blessed Lord, the King of Heaven and Earth and the entire Universe went through all He went through in His work of Redemption for nothing?<br /><br />Shameful betrayal from one - sorry to say - who is shameless as this is calculated and planned - not impulsive and caused by fear like our first Pope's betrayal.<br /><br />Mamma mia - what a sorry state the Church is being reduced to...and it just goes on and on and on...Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015983740608711729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-42370098568557486292013-09-29T16:57:08.474+01:002013-09-29T16:57:08.474+01:00Well that's what the man said the Pope said.
...Well that's what the man said the Pope said.<br /><br />It could be the Pope never said that, or that he has misinterpreted what the Pope said to him.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-3593406513815624682013-09-29T15:56:05.942+01:002013-09-29T15:56:05.942+01:00"and he stated emphatically that the Catholic..."and he stated emphatically that the Catholic Church cannot engage in proselytism”. This is the Pope saying we cannot attempt to convert souls. What in the world is wrong with this man? I know there have been statements like this before from other mouths, but from the Pope?<br /><br />Lord have mercy on his soul. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08481730297658525937noreply@blogger.com