tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post8714582511735909249..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: Charlie Hebdo, Blasphemy and PrudenceThe Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-38526550897377130462015-01-17T22:59:22.102+00:002015-01-17T22:59:22.102+00:00The appropriate response to an offensive cartoon i...The appropriate response to an offensive cartoon is another cartoon lampooning the ideas that drive it. To kill the cartoonist is to confirm the point made.<br /><br />What is all this stuff about Israel occupying land and so on? The borders of Israel were established in 1920 and constitute the area of Mandate Palestine ie from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-65001409323162432862015-01-17T15:13:29.612+00:002015-01-17T15:13:29.612+00:00Whatever websites you find most informative, I gue...Whatever websites you find most informative, I guess.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-77899209969256965352015-01-17T11:37:41.815+00:002015-01-17T11:37:41.815+00:00Which filthy, perverted anti-semitic websites writ...Which filthy, perverted anti-semitic websites written for lunatics should I educate myself with? No wonder the Church has fragmented. It's a vipers nest of paedophiles, homosexuals, and anti-semites. Enjoy your sinking ship/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-34843600981425599072015-01-17T11:24:00.333+00:002015-01-17T11:24:00.333+00:00@Thomas Herd: "So end anti-abortion protests...@Thomas Herd: "So end anti-abortion protests?"<br /><br />I do not think people who display pictures outside abortion clinics are intending to offend. What they are trying to do is to inform people of the reality of abortion. The truth may shock but I am not sure you can say it offends other than in the sense of contradicting error.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-74692834489635597162015-01-17T08:35:50.971+00:002015-01-17T08:35:50.971+00:00Religious Jews and secular Jews both believe Jesus...Religious Jews and secular Jews both believe Jesus Christ is a magician who is in Hell and the Blessed Virgin Mary was a whore. This is what Jewish children are taught.<br /><br />The religious Jews believe this by faith. The secular Jews believe this by their education in the faith.<br /><br />Their education in such blasphemy is clearly a contribution to their 'comedic' blasphemy later in their careers to which few atheists could hold a candle.<br /><br />Go educate yourself.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-91438453042897356642015-01-17T00:32:04.269+00:002015-01-17T00:32:04.269+00:00"we can say things but out of respect for oth..."we can say things but out of respect for others we might consider how we get our message across."<br /><br />So end anti-abortion protests? After all, the images upset people. I mean, by your logic they would be in some sense reasonable if they were to shoot twelve people. I mean, you used an image deliberately to offend them. Why does this case differ from the Charlie Hebdo case? You're defending the right of people whose views you must abhor (anti-life and anti-God heretics) to respond to any offense caused by the Truth.Thomas Herdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-17845752093304443262015-01-17T00:21:47.168+00:002015-01-17T00:21:47.168+00:00"Because with Jews we are meant to be in a cu..."Because with Jews we are meant to be in a culture of 'mutual respect and dialogue', just as we are with Muslims"<br /><br />But the Jews 'we'/'Catholics' are meant to be in dialogue with are religious Jews. The dialogue of faith is a specifically religious one. But you, I presume, are referring to the secular Jews in comedy. Again, specific examples would help, but I presume you mean the popular-TV-Seinfeld types and not religious Jews or Zionists who happen to do comedy (in which case you'd really have to give examples!). So the claim is racist in precisely the sense that you take anyone of Jewish ancestry to represent Judaism as a religion and that any comment they make as individuals must necessarily be a result of that Jewish ancestry, not their own opinion. Look, it's as plain as a pikestaff that you really do harbor anti-semitic views. You raise the issue of freedom of speech, and as you see there are two views. Well, both views suggest you ought to admit your views. If free-speech is an unqualified good then why not feel free to speak your mind, If only Christian truth matters then say what you think the Christian truth to be. I don't understand why you level all these accusations at others for not speaking the truth but then only feel comfortable hinting at a watered down version of your own views. Thomas Herdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-13942410498362045812015-01-16T22:38:50.998+00:002015-01-16T22:38:50.998+00:00Bones, I love you, really I do. Like me, you'r...Bones, I love you, really I do. Like me, you're a convert and so you thought deeply about stuff before you signed on the dotted line. Sadly, however, there are not many like us about. For all your reservations about Francis and your love of Benedict, I suspect that our society is more likely to listen to the Argentinian streetfighter than the German academic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-8721326397979097132015-01-16T22:28:42.290+00:002015-01-16T22:28:42.290+00:00BXVI showed us quite well, I think, how that can b...BXVI showed us quite well, I think, how that can be done.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-23819628844748265762015-01-16T22:27:42.889+00:002015-01-16T22:27:42.889+00:00By which we articulate our POV.By which we articulate our POV.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-35832174384911948162015-01-16T22:26:49.861+00:002015-01-16T22:26:49.861+00:00And indeed we can say things but out of respect fo...And indeed we can say things but out of respect for others we might consider how we get our message across. Deliberately inciting provocation by depicting a religious figure negatively might not be the way to go about it. Both the murderers and the victims rejected the use of reason.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-32997212896680730512015-01-16T22:23:47.447+00:002015-01-16T22:23:47.447+00:00The point of my post is that we do not say whateve...The point of my post is that we do not say whatever we want to people just to cause offece and then claim we have free speech 'so there' because it is completely against reason and the common good. Some kind of sense of fair play and justice is demanded of us by our very nature.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-63842616720912223392015-01-16T22:10:20.325+00:002015-01-16T22:10:20.325+00:00I’m not sure where you’re going with this, Bones. ...I’m not sure where you’re going with this, Bones. You think there is some kind of hierarchy, where (observant) Jews and Muslims are slightly better than atheists? No. There is the Church; and there is everyone else outside of it. There are not degrees of faith. There are not degrees of respect towards Jesus Christ. There are those who do, and those who don’t. Try asking a serious Muslim what he feels about mutual respect and dialogue with us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-42663747390664045832015-01-16T21:51:03.967+00:002015-01-16T21:51:03.967+00:00Of course it is! A lot of non-Jewish comedians bla...Of course it is! A lot of non-Jewish comedians blaspheme Christ. Why point only to the (unnamed) Jewish ones? <br /><br />Because with Jews we are meant to be in a culture of 'mutual respect and dialogue', just as we are with Muslims.<br /><br />Atheists, by and large, reject any sense of dialogue with faith. <br /><br />Respect is a two-way street. We should expect better of people who claim to worship God.<br /><br />The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-26081375962085406762015-01-16T21:29:01.273+00:002015-01-16T21:29:01.273+00:00"It isn't anti-semitic to point out that ..."It isn't anti-semitic to point out that Jewish comedians, for example, blaspheme Christ."<br /><br />Of course it is! A lot of non-Jewish comedians blaspheme Christ. Why point only to the (unnamed) Jewish ones? Because you think the fact that they are Jewish is relevant to the blasphemy. Besides, you'd need to give specific examples, not just make a sweeping generalization about all Jewish comedians! It's like saying "it isn't anti-Cathoilic to point out Catholics are gay." A lot are, some aren't. Thomas Herdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-82623886528681387532015-01-16T15:33:30.339+00:002015-01-16T15:33:30.339+00:00'If the current status quo offers us no freedo...'If the current status quo offers us no freedom to tell others about the love of God by engaging modernist arguments head-on...'<br /><br />Pope Benedict was pretty good at engaging others in dialogue about faith without insulting them, I thought.<br />The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-52853397836705807942015-01-16T15:29:00.051+00:002015-01-16T15:29:00.051+00:00If the current status quo offers us no freedom to ...If the current status quo offers us no freedom to tell others about the love of God by engaging modernist arguments head-on, then I think it will be difficult for us to show our love of God (First Commandment), unless by "love of God" you mean complacently staying put in our own private ghetto and going to our own very nice and decorous Latin Masses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33603597222213493452015-01-16T15:09:05.168+00:002015-01-16T15:09:05.168+00:00I'm just wondering how that can be reconciled ...I'm just wondering how that can be reconciled with the first commandment.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-30154953312632611532015-01-16T15:00:14.706+00:002015-01-16T15:00:14.706+00:00The opinion has been offered here that a certain a...The opinion has been offered here that a certain amount of freedom is allowable, but that "natural reason" (common sense?)will not disagree with curbs being put on more savage attacks made on religion, in particular. I can't agree - where do you draw the line, and more importantly, who draws it?<br /><br />Freedom to speak your mind, including criticising and mocking religious faith(s), should in our multi-stranded culture be an absolute right. I would even say that the right to be offensive even in religious matters should be enshrined in specific laws if necessary – to protect those saying such things from prosecution under the growing "hate-speech” umbrella, in the courts. (Naturally, protection of an individual’s reputation and welfare is provided under libel law etc and of course that should continue).<br /><br />I say this because the problem with allowing just a certain amount of freedom is that those in power, who these days are militant secularists, will make the particular version of “freedom” on offer conform to their own agenda. Currently, as a Catholic, I find myself in the worst of all circumstances: effectively, in my country it is open season on slagging off my faith/Church in myriad ways but if I have the temerity to say or behave as if “gay marriage” is wrong, it won't be long before the Thought Police come looking for me. We need the freedom to defend ourselves. If we believe in the Gospel then we should not fear anything. But we have no right to enforce our notions of blasphemy on our society.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-17983191951466163432015-01-16T14:40:37.013+00:002015-01-16T14:40:37.013+00:00Gosh, what a strange website!
http://www.jewornot...Gosh, what a strange website!<br /><br />http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=738The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-81542641482431192142015-01-16T14:37:43.353+00:002015-01-16T14:37:43.353+00:00sliding into anti-semitism
Any criticism of Israe...<i>sliding into anti-semitism</i><br /><br />Any criticism of Israeli foreign policy = anti-semitism. Bit sensitive, are we? I can see why you post as Anonymous.c mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-7190585366223969592015-01-16T14:25:51.719+00:002015-01-16T14:25:51.719+00:00It isn't anti-semitic to point out that Jewish...It isn't anti-semitic to point out that Jewish comedians, for example, blaspheme Christ.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-37360083236133922642015-01-16T14:22:17.984+00:002015-01-16T14:22:17.984+00:00Or even physically punished?Or even physically punished?The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-89329604392816284612015-01-16T14:22:01.515+00:002015-01-16T14:22:01.515+00:00Where did I say those who commit blasphemy should ...Where did I say those who commit blasphemy should be killed?The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-32901111041997935112015-01-16T14:07:56.125+00:002015-01-16T14:07:56.125+00:00I'm sure someone else has/will point this out,...I'm sure someone else has/will point this out, but there's a deep irony in the fact that you think displaying an image of Mohammed is deeply and inherently offensive but that you perpetuate the very same blasphemy by displaying the offending imagine on your blog post. A thousand lashes for Mr England!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com