tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post8507922429526345292..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: Interesting NoisesThe Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-86708719202377742132013-09-15T21:09:10.827+01:002013-09-15T21:09:10.827+01:00Robert,
The Mosaic Covenant (which is what peopl...Robert, <br /><br />The Mosaic Covenant (which is what people usually refer to as the "Jewish Covenant") has been <b>abrogated</b>. It ended with the death of our Lord on the Cross. I'm afraid to tell you that to believe otherwise is heresy.<br /><br />The Abrahamic Covenant, however, was not abrogated but has been fulfilled in the Catholic Church.<br /><br /><b>Hebrews 7:18</b>: "On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness..."<br /><br /><b>Hebrews 10:9</b>: "Then he says, 'Behold, I come to do your will.' He takes away the first [covenant] to establish the second [covenant]..."<br /><br /><b>2 Corinthians 3:14</b>: “For to this day when they [the Jews] read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.”<br /><br /><b>Hebrews 8:7</b>: "For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another."<br /><br /><b>Colossians 2:14</b>: “Having cancelled the written code, with its decrees, that was against us and stood opposed to us; He took it away nailing it to the cross."<br /><br /><b>Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, para. 29</b>: "...the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished…but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross."<br /><br /><b>The Catechism of the Council of Trent</b>: "...the people, aware of the abrogation of the Mosaic Law..."<br /><br /><b>Council of Florence</b>: "That the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law…although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began."Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664129156841386638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-25476652262931785842013-09-15T16:17:54.327+01:002013-09-15T16:17:54.327+01:00David, St Paul made it quite clear that the Jewish...David, St Paul made it quite clear that the Jewish Covenant exists, ven though it is overtaken by the New Covenant. He said that the church is grafted on to God's people. The Incarnation makes ity inevitable that Christ can be found outside the church even though he is fully focussed within it. That is the point of "natural theology." the theologians of the patristic period would have recognised that. Pope Benedict acknowledged it too. Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15492051454283472916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-25672079906575584772013-09-13T12:34:34.655+01:002013-09-13T12:34:34.655+01:00I think we can ask respectful questions of the dir...<i>I think we can ask respectful questions of the directions the Church is going under his papacy.</i><br /><br />Anyone with the care of Catholic children is called to do something more than just asking "respectful questions". The fact is, I wouldn't let Pope Francis catechise my daughter. <br /><br />Since ascending to the Throne of Peter the new Pope has repeatedly said things that when taken in their plain, literal sense are contrary to Church teaching. For example, it has been overlooked that last week he said that the Jewish Covenant is still valid, which means that Christ did not die for all men. Therefore, <i>contra</i> apparently infallible dogma, there <b>is</b> salvation outside of the Church.<br /><br />People have been asking "respectful questions" since the terrible crisis in the Church erupted into the consciouness of Catholics in the late 1960's - and they have been, to a man, ignored. Just in the same way that Pope John Paul II turned a deaf ear the allegations that had been made against the evil founder of the Legionaries of Christ. <br /><br />What does it signify when a Catholic must protect the faith of his children from the Vicar of Christ? Many Catholics would cry out in horror at such a thought. But if you talk with these 'obedience-first' Catholics you realise that very few of them believe, for example, in the <b>inerrancy of Scripture</b> (which is <i>de fide</i>) and in their minds have reduced the dogma of <i>extra ecclesiam nulla salus</i> to something unrecognisable from the perennial teaching of the Church. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664129156841386638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-40941065039465089942013-09-12T20:49:24.313+01:002013-09-12T20:49:24.313+01:00Jigsaw puzzle? The basic premise of a jigsaw is th...Jigsaw puzzle? The basic premise of a jigsaw is that the pieces should fit together to form a coherent whole. At the moment all I can see is a ragbag of 'Church of Nice' gestures.<br /><br />The new Secretary of State is simply saying the obvious about clerical celibacy and I'll bet it was pulled out of a much longer interview, in the course of which all the usual liberal shibboleths were brought up. I'd be more concerned if he'd said 'Women priests? Great idea!'<br /><br />The atheist stuff is rather different and we've been here before. An atheist who lives his/her life 'as if God exists' is obviously an improvement on an atheist who commits terrible crimes. And while in the past an atheist was someone who deliberately rejected the faith taught them, it is all too easy nowadays to grow up with no concept of God or religion at all. But surely what we should be offering them is a far better life with Christ, not an assurance that they're fine as they are.<br /><br />It does make you wonder how all those cosy chats at the Mater Ecclesiae are going. One of Pope Benedict's former students remarked that he'd retained his sense of humour. Just as well.Celiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06604937234890307888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33794342110225786252013-09-12T20:34:16.464+01:002013-09-12T20:34:16.464+01:00It is all very worrying. I agree with nearly all o...It is all very worrying. I agree with nearly all of what you say except that Jesus did not make any promises to those within the church either. There is good and bad in the church and Pharisees are condemned.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15492051454283472916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-48171030954941409152013-09-12T17:33:40.336+01:002013-09-12T17:33:40.336+01:00I don't think we can really suggest the HF is ...I don't think we can really suggest the HF is heretical.<br /><br />I think we can ask respectful questions of the directions the Church is going under his papacy.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-43732597367751510252013-09-12T16:14:14.915+01:002013-09-12T16:14:14.915+01:00My only thought is that Francis has clearly pitted...My only thought is that Francis has clearly pitted himself in opposition to the 'Church Triumphant'. The only way that you can avoid viewing him as a heretic is if you interpret his sayings as having the opposite meaning from the literal sense of his words. The Church needs Christians who are bold enough to denounce Francis and point out his errors.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09347231130073317533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-38355737254007350682013-09-12T15:02:44.734+01:002013-09-12T15:02:44.734+01:00The sound bites on Triumphalism and universal salv...The sound bites on Triumphalism and universal salvation need elucidation. I jumped into the fray....here and here<br /><br />As I noted in my post on the first, we are not the arch-triumphalistic religion, are we?<br /><br /><br />http://supertradmum-etheldredasplace.blogspot.ie/2013/09/is-it-not-ironic-and-to-sides-to-coin.html<br /><br />http://supertradmum-etheldredasplace.blogspot.ie/2013/09/putting-out-papal-fires.htmlSupertradmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829935047036023159noreply@blogger.com