tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post6975235125740091220..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: Blessings of Civil Partnerships in Catholic Churches...Already?The Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-8590156923043325822012-01-12T02:31:39.854+00:002012-01-12T02:31:39.854+00:00Archbishop Nichols celebrated the Soho mass in Jun...Archbishop Nichols celebrated the Soho mass in June 2009 and must have found everything to be in good order so I wouldn't worry. Also as has already been documented, the CDF were consulted before the masses were regularised so they have Rome's approval. It would be hard to believe that the current Pope (as previous head of the CDF) would not have been included in this process. The masses are not exclusively for the gay community but are a regular sunday parish mass to which the gay community and their friends and families are also welcome to participate.Catholic gay mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-77307265103051862292012-01-08T20:01:46.224+00:002012-01-08T20:01:46.224+00:00Nicolas Bellord says it all:
"The situation c...Nicolas Bellord says it all:<br />"The situation could be put on the road to orthodoxy by the Parish Priest forming a canonically licit Pastoral Council under his chairmanship, committed to the teachings of the Church and only advisory in function."<br /><br />I hope and pray that this will be done promptly. There are probably many people with same sex orientation looking for guidance and help from the Catholic Church and all the current arrangement is doing is leading them astray.<br /><br />In Canada/America they have <a href="http://www.catholic.com/radio/shows/atheist-lesbian-turned-catholic-mom-6579" rel="nofollow">Melinda Selmys a most wonderful, measured and honest woman you could ever find - listen here for her latest radio appearance on Catholic Answers Live of 9th December 2011</a> When are we going to have radio stations like this in the UK and Ireland?? Maybe the archbishop might set one up with a fraction of the funds he's going to make out of London Colney! Then again with a bit of determination we could keep the centre AND have a radio station - <a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/saveallsaints/" rel="nofollow">sign the petition here</a><br /><br />"Members of the existing SMPC could be invited to join on condition that they subscribe to the teachings of the Church."<br /><br />This should be done not just for the SMPC group but for all catechists, Eucharistic ministers, and any other people involved in the running of parishes up and down the country - because many of them at the moment are speaking heresy about all manner of things.epsilonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785182500278281351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-40905550268698994412012-01-08T19:30:26.255+00:002012-01-08T19:30:26.255+00:00SPUC do not have charitable status as they are qui...SPUC do not have charitable status as they are quite properly endeavouring to influence the political scene. BPAS (British Pregnancy Advisory Service) have charitable status but of course they never try and influence the politicians do they!Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-13067310976226395802012-01-08T19:11:38.396+00:002012-01-08T19:11:38.396+00:00I don't know whether it is their justification...I don't know whether it is their justification, but even if one gay couple entered into the IVF route, then that would be contributing to human embryoes being destroyed and then, even if one were destroyed, that would make it SPUC's business.<br /><br />Second, I agree with John that the homosexual lifestyle is part of the culture of death in which sex is divorced from marriage and procreation and therefore he is right to quote something like Evangelium Vitae which reaffirmed marriage and the family as the foundation of society. <br /><br />The homosexual culture attempts to undermine this and attempts to set up a new model of the family especially with regard to adoption and, by extension, IVF. The most famous of the IVF cases is, I believe, Elton John's (or David's) baby.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-45907453035576725742012-01-08T18:20:46.750+00:002012-01-08T18:20:46.750+00:00''I can see John's part in all of this...''I can see John's part in all of this. After all, gay couple's don't just adopt. Some go for the IVF thing in which embryoes are destroyed.''<br /><br />Can you provide evidence to back up this rather specious claim? I have heard of very very few gay couples who have used IVF to aid conception, most appear to prefer the turkey baster option. I don't think the figures would support the assertion that gay couples are any more likely to use IVF than heterosexual couples. SPUC are grasping at straws if this is their justification for launching into the 'gay marriage' debate. They should loose their charitable status as it is being used for political purposes.Roger DeLazarusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-68786291562567187302012-01-08T15:57:46.681+00:002012-01-08T15:57:46.681+00:00Not yet no. You are welcome to do so!Not yet no. You are welcome to do so!The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-58199334540207722302012-01-08T15:51:35.424+00:002012-01-08T15:51:35.424+00:00Bones,
Have you sent a link to this to the Nuncio ...Bones,<br />Have you sent a link to this to the Nuncio yet?Gozonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-66746827039594990992012-01-08T09:21:42.038+00:002012-01-08T09:21:42.038+00:00I have said it before but I will say it again. Th...I have said it before but I will say it again. The Soho Masses Pastoral Council openly advocates homosexual sex. It is not a Pastoral Council established in accordance with Canon Law as in particular it is not chaired by the Parish Priest and it appears to be more than just advisory. The Archdiocese may say that they have nothing to do with the SMPC but they tolerate it and thus allow the SMPC to give out the message that they have Vatican and Archdiocese approval.<br /><br />The situation could be put on the road to orthodoxy by the Parish Priest forming a canonically licit Pastoral Council under his chairmanship, committed to the teachings of the Church and only advisory in function. Members of the existing SMPC could be invited to join on condition that they subscribe to the teachings of the Church.<br /><br />Until this happens I find the conduct of the Archdiocese incomprehensible.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-88283848011000204972012-01-08T00:33:18.647+00:002012-01-08T00:33:18.647+00:00I can see John's part in all of this. After al...I can see John's part in all of this. After all, gay couple's don't just adopt. Some go for the IVF thing in which embryoes are destroyed.<br /><br />Once the Archbishop has 'reframed' the CP debate, then in all honesty, CV has to follow. I understand. It's just politics.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33538925834517789282012-01-07T23:56:26.760+00:002012-01-07T23:56:26.760+00:00I can well believe that Prendergast's account ...I can well believe that Prendergast's account of what is happening is actually happening, and the Diocese of Portsmouth one way or another has a hand in it.<br /><br />There are many Catholics of a heterosexual orientation who along with contraception, abortion, sex before marriage, re-marriage, women priests and married priests (and presumably whatever follows on from this...) are of the belief that love is paramount and it doesn't matter who you love, you should be allowed to express that love in whatever way you so choose, sexual or otherwise. Many of these people are not necessarily doing any of these things themselves but they feel it's central to their religious faith that they should not judge others, people should be allowed to make their own choices, 'the world is a different place now', - after all the Church changed it's mind about slavery etc. etc.<br /><br />I can tell you from personal experience that the only type of person they cannot tolerate is the one who states that all these things are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church!<br /><br />These are people who are involved in catechesis, 'stewardship' and 'ministry' in the church.epsilonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785182500278281351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-84221702090222850412012-01-07T22:18:15.796+00:002012-01-07T22:18:15.796+00:00I know this is difficult to believe Laurence but r...I know this is difficult to believe Laurence but really we were never asked to reframe.<br /><br />I recently blogged about my 2 aunties who are genuine, who have lived together for almost 50 years and yet are not recognised in terms of having various common rights, despite one being a full time carer to the other, and who is facing a legal challenge from her friend's nephew to have her put into a nursing home and for her to be evicted from a house, the upkeep to which she has contributed to since the 50s. Fortunately she has a house she inherited from her mother in a different part of the country, but that's not the point.<br /><br />They will not enter a CP because they are not lesbians nor do they want, at 77 at 89, to garner any publicity if they were to quietly sign the document. This is an injustice and I believe the type of thing that CPs should address but in a much more limited fashion than they do. Maybe I'm just being naive but it was echoes of this situation and of the late Nigel Hawthorn that I am thinking of in terms of natural justices & what I personally, not as CV, but as me Caroline, thought ++Vin was referring.<br /><br />The Soho Masses as presented here, do seem to need addressing. One thing I have learnt of late though is always to look at all sides of the story. I'd be interested to learn what the priest has to say about it all (unless I've missed this somewhere).<br /><br />I still don't see why John Smeaton is so concerned by it all, despite SPUC's resolution. John by his own evidence has been blogging about this well before November. This is for individual bloggers to discuss as they see fit. Not for the Director of SPUC, unless he's also going to attack the C of E, many of whom break their rules about CP blessings and many of whom also support SPUC in terms of distributing their petitions and materials.blondpidgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12631604905862504882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-61267077973197306672012-01-07T20:23:35.024+00:002012-01-07T20:23:35.024+00:00I find it sad as well Stuart, but then, whose faul...I find it sad as well Stuart, but then, whose fault is that? It is the co-ordinators of that venture that have helped to 'reframe' Civil Partnerships.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-10220764552547602162012-01-07T19:43:55.154+00:002012-01-07T19:43:55.154+00:00An excellent commentary. I would like to know whic...An excellent commentary. I would like to know which churches are blessing Gay unions. I have my doubts...... It feels like Prendergast posturing.<br /><br />You have a way with words, Bones. The line "Who, indeed, needs to know 'what's down the road' when what happened five miles back was this bad?" was a falling off my chair laughing moment.<br /><br />Keep up your good work.bernadettenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-175774380464163092012-01-07T18:27:00.246+00:002012-01-07T18:27:00.246+00:00It saddens me that recently, so many good and soun...It saddens me that recently, so many good and sound blog posts like this one, have to include a negative reference to fellow Catholics within Catholic Voices.Stuarthttp://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-81972973179193992212012-01-07T18:04:36.303+00:002012-01-07T18:04:36.303+00:00I don't usually publish anonymous comments. It...I don't usually publish anonymous comments. It is strange, yes. Does the Pope will it? I sincerely doubt it. The Pope does not act as a dictator.<br /><br />At the last Ad Limina meeting with the Bishops of England and Wales the Holy Father asked the Bishops to 'recognise dissent for what it is, rather than a contribution to a mature and wide-ranging debate'.<br /><br />It should not be taken as an endorsement from Almighty God that the Pope hasn't been airlifted in to stop the gay Masses in Soho.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-67018239782713395752012-01-07T15:59:52.335+00:002012-01-07T15:59:52.335+00:00As an English Catholic I find this strange, but th...As an English Catholic I find this strange, but then I am obliged to be faithful to the church, and if the pope wills it it is God's will too. The pope could silence these bishops, he is, after all, head of the church. That he does not do so must be taken as God's endorsementAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com