tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post6409744874573295042..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: Dr Alan Keyes on Obama's Support for 'Ground Zero Mosque'The Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-76692707714448911842010-08-20T01:44:41.242+01:002010-08-20T01:44:41.242+01:00Doesn't sound like Dr Keye's views are con...Doesn't sound like Dr Keye's views are consistent with the social teachings of the catholic church, does itCatholic millitantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-9986483207700828602010-08-17T20:12:57.643+01:002010-08-17T20:12:57.643+01:00Some gems from Dr. Alan Keyes's website (I fin...Some gems from Dr. Alan Keyes's website (I find it amusing that both you and 'Dr.' Alan Keyes insist on applying the honorific each time he is mentioned - most graduates frown upon this as a) it implies that your title substitutes for arguments and b) it shows a lack of humility; a quality which is requisite for people of faith)<br /><br />Keyes says:<br /><br />"By abolishing the income tax, we give people back control of the money they make." Or let the rich keep what they make <br /><br />He continues by noting "the dire warnings of impending economic doom [that are] being used to herd us toward the communist slaughter pens" comparing freedom to the good old American love of cars: "Like any other conveyance, freedom can't run on empty. The first order of business is to keep it fueled. . . abolition [of income tax] assures that freedom runs with a full tank of gas."<br /><br />His basic idea appears to be that, instead of an income tax levied on all earners (and more so on high earners) which is then used to pay for unemployment benefits (like your own), health care, schools, roads, fire services and so on, there should be a 'tax choice' - which amounts to letting high earners 'opt-out' of paying for services for the less well off and enter into a 'pay as you go' scheme for their own services . Of course this entirely misses the point of wealth redistribution, but America is so viciously anti-economic re-distribution these days that even Obama - who has hardly shown himself to be an enemy of big business - is labelled a Communist by the good doctor. <br /><br />You think I'm taking him out of context? Read the following (from his paean to the Constitution):<br /><br />"What we often forget, however, is that guarantees for individual rights were not originally intended to protect the welfare of poor, vulnerable minorities. They were intended to prevent the personal and property rights of the wealthy few from being invaded and expropriated by the more numerous majority."<br /><br />So, let's recap - tax is bad because it makes the rich pay for the poor. The constitution is good because it protects the rights of the rich to hold onto what they own. Add some waffle about gays ["the homosexual agenda represents above all the utter rejection of respect for God ordained natural right"] and abortion ["the cultish ritual of abortion", "child sacrifice", "U.S. funding of programs that promote abortion for population control and social engineering"] and you've basically got the template for many of your own arguments (sometimes you quote him verbatim). I must say I am a little confused as to why this man is now the darling of the modern young Catholic....<br /><br />Alan Keyes: Loyal to billionaires (and a few people who only ever read the bits about gays or abortion when they voice their support of him)Peter Lewesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-80847617606506369142010-08-17T17:59:52.851+01:002010-08-17T17:59:52.851+01:00I think this issue should be left in the hands of ...I think this issue should be left in the hands of the victim s families. Those people alone should make the final decision.kennypnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-82612672961364374462010-08-17T00:55:26.308+01:002010-08-17T00:55:26.308+01:00Certainly the president deserves respect if only b...Certainly the president deserves respect if only by virtue of his office. Spreading false rumours, disputed by the courts on numerous occasions, about his nationality in order to undermine his credability is just disgraceful. In older times it would be treason.<br /><br />Sounds like the only reason you support Dr Keyes and his wacko beliefs is because he supposedly ever so so so so 'pro-life'. Actually I'm not convinced Keyes does believe that Obama isn't really Americsn, he's just playing politics.<br /><br />What exactly the abortion issue has to do with Obama's legitimacy is beyond me.cupid stuntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-37146264681966296892010-08-16T09:03:52.094+01:002010-08-16T09:03:52.094+01:00"Everyone! Be nice! Especially to the Preside..."Everyone! Be nice! Especially to the President, even though he's more dangerous than dropping a toaster in a bath."The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-24505655322162865162010-08-16T01:22:27.741+01:002010-08-16T01:22:27.741+01:00Bishop Zavala from the US Bishops communication co...Bishop Zavala from the US Bishops communication committee said:<br /><br />"Only the Magisterium can speak for the Magisterium,"<br /><br />“There was consistent agreement [among the bishops] that one aspect that is most alarming to us about media is when it becomes unchristian and hurtful to individuals. For example, we are particularly concerned about blogs that engage in attacks and hurtful, judgmental language.<br /><br />"We are very troubled by blogs and other elements of media that assume the role of Magisterium and judge others in the Church. Such actions shatter the communion of the Church that we hold so precious.”US Bishops warn 'traditionalist' bloggersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-8031328045846215182010-08-15T22:34:37.558+01:002010-08-15T22:34:37.558+01:00I very much suspect that Dr Keyes' honesty and...I very much suspect that Dr Keyes' honesty and integrity (a priceless commodity in politics as I am sure you are aware) embarrasses even his own party. He often says that Republicanism is dying, if not dead. He is vehemently PRO-LIFE and that upsets even Republicans nowadays.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-23527823217673092972010-08-15T22:31:15.471+01:002010-08-15T22:31:15.471+01:00It may be that Obama IS perfectly eligible to be P...It may be that Obama IS perfectly eligible to be President, but you know what they say...no smoke without fire. <br /><br />As Dr Keyes has said, the Republicans had this which they could have gone on and they didn't - so it may have been a whitewash.<br /><br />I find it hard to see how anyone could protest at the assertion that, at very least, this move is insensitive to ALL of those who lost their lives on 9/11.<br /><br />A Peace Centre for Religious Dialogue or something? Sure. Great. A mosque? Come off it! That is taking the piss!The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-20071113688829784782010-08-15T22:28:09.223+01:002010-08-15T22:28:09.223+01:00Dr Keyes is an extremist and ultra-fringe, despise...Dr Keyes is an extremist and ultra-fringe, despised by most republican politicians. I'm not surprised you have a lot in common with him Lozza my old bum-chum.Lozza hates muslimsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-32899905407099153232010-08-15T22:27:40.215+01:002010-08-15T22:27:40.215+01:00Send me the link.Send me the link.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-74004199582073114512010-08-15T22:25:36.091+01:002010-08-15T22:25:36.091+01:00I wouldn't expect anything else of you Lozza, ...I wouldn't expect anything else of you Lozza, but you only show yourself up more by doing so.<br /><br />The solider guy whose petition you are supporting had his case slapped down by the courts as moot.<br />In fact he only signed up for the army after Obama was elected and in order to try and use his position to take a lawsuit against the president. The court ruling is interesting if you look it up, it really slags him off as a troublemaker... and from a republican judge too.Lorrie is a good case for euthanasianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-74432242638239181172010-08-15T21:00:40.942+01:002010-08-15T21:00:40.942+01:00Just to nark you off, I'll post some more on A...Just to nark you off, I'll post some more on Alan Keys in a mo'.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-78440411179143208332010-08-15T21:00:16.178+01:002010-08-15T21:00:16.178+01:00'I believe that Lt. Col. Terry Lakin's dec...'I believe that Lt. Col. Terry Lakin's decision to lay his career on the line in the effort to resolve doubts about Obama's constitutional eligibility for the Office of President is a morally courageous service to the whole American people. To show support on this blog, I have posted a Declaration of Support for him which is now open for email signature. Please help me show appreciation for Lt. Col. Lakin's conscientious and patriotic fulfillment of his sworn duty to the Constitution.'<br /><br />Dr Alan KeyesThe Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-14990454336646621412010-08-15T20:55:36.027+01:002010-08-15T20:55:36.027+01:00Crikey. The President's devoted disciples are ...Crikey. The President's devoted disciples are working overtime! Ah, sorry, its probably the comments of just one, lonely 'extremist'. ;-)The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-78673727289951296492010-08-15T20:52:08.452+01:002010-08-15T20:52:08.452+01:00Public opinion surveys carried out beginning in 20...Public opinion surveys carried out beginning in 2008 have shown that a number of Americans (predominately Republicans), believe that Obama is either a Muslim, is the Antichrist or both. In March 2008, a survey conducted by Pew Research Center found that 10% of respondents believed that he is a Muslim. Those who were more likely to believe he is a Muslim included conservative Republicans and Democrats, people who had not attended college, people who lived in the Midwest or the South, and people in rural areas.[13]<br /><br />A University of Georgia study found that the percentage of Americans who believed that Obama is a Muslim remained constant at approximately 20% in September, October, and November 2008, despite frequent attempts by the media to correct this misperception. However, the study also showed that some people who had initially believed Obama to be a Christian, later believed the rumor that he is a Muslim. The survey found that respondents who had shifted to the misperception were generally younger, less politically involved, less educated, more conservative, and more likely to believe in Biblical literalism. According to Professor Barry Hollander, "These are groups of people who are generally distrustful of the mainstream media...So therefore journalists telling them that this is not true could actually have the opposite effect and make them more likely to believe the rumor."[14]Only morons (like Lorrie) believe Obama is not a christiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-85685443538226833122010-08-15T20:45:19.676+01:002010-08-15T20:45:19.676+01:00Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories — that h...Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories — that he secretly follows a non-Christian religion, or that he is the Antichrist — have been suggested ever since Barack Obama began his campaign to become President of the United States in 2007. Like the Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories, these claims are promoted by a number of fringe theorists and political opponents. [1] [2]Obama isn't a christian?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-89184996967099753052010-08-15T20:36:11.814+01:002010-08-15T20:36:11.814+01:00In Utah, an August 2009 poll carried out for the D...In Utah, an August 2009 poll carried out for the Deseret News and KSL-TV found that 67% of Utahns accepted the evidence that Obama was born in the U.S. The poll found that those who do not believe that Obama was born in the United States, or do not know, are predominantly middle-aged, lower-income Republican-leaning individuals without a college education.[219]Thick racist southerners believe Obama is not americsnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-52944148282703384262010-08-15T20:32:15.472+01:002010-08-15T20:32:15.472+01:00Political analyst Andrew Sullivan, writing in The ...Political analyst Andrew Sullivan, writing in The Sunday Times, stated<br /><br />The demographics tell the basic story: a black man is president and a large majority of white southerners cannot accept that, even in 2009. They grasp conspiracy theories to wish Obama — and the America he represents — away. Since white southerners comprise an increasing proportion of the 22% of Americans who still describe themselves as Republican, the GOP can neither dismiss the crankery nor move past it. The fringe defines what’s left of the Republican centre.[213]Obama went to a catholic schoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-13172088774761845382010-08-15T20:27:46.280+01:002010-08-15T20:27:46.280+01:00Although claims about Obama's citizenship were...Although claims about Obama's citizenship were evaluated in 2008 by the McCain Campaign and ultimately rejected,[201] they became a significant issue among sections of the political right. By mid-2009, the citizenship issue was one of the hottest and most lucrative sources of fundraising for organizations on the right that raise funds through direct mail and telemarketing. Online petition sites such as that of Alan Keyes, who has been collecting signatures on the birth certificate issue, are a major source for generating mailing lists of movement conservatives.[202] The web site WorldNetDaily published more than 200 articles on the subject by July 2009[203] and has sold billboards, bumper stickers and postcards asking "Where's the birth certificate?" and similar slogans in an effort which has "already raised tens of thousands of dollars."[204]<br /><br />Moderate conservatives have found themselves "bombarded with birther stuff".[202] Protesters at the Tea Party protests in 2009 carried signs about the birth certificate issue,[205] some of which were recommended by protest organizers.[202] In an incident that attracted widespread media coverage, moderate Republican Representative Michael Castle was booed and heckled during a July 2009 town hall meeting in Georgetown, Delaware, when he told a woman protesting about Obama's birth certificate: "if you’re referring to the president there, he is a citizen of the United States."[206] NBC Nightly News reported that other members of Congress often hear the issue too; an anonymous congressman told the program that he was reluctant to advertise his own town hall meetings for fear of this issue drowning out everything else.[207]Obama is american, no question about itnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-89935947927673450002010-08-15T20:12:03.022+01:002010-08-15T20:12:03.022+01:00According to Salon, "almost all of the people...According to Salon, "almost all of the people who've been most prominent in pushing this story have a history of conspiracist thought."[9] In response to the notion that Obama's grandparents might have planted a birth announcement in newspapers just so their grandson could some day be president, FactCheck suggested that "those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat."[18] Brooks Jackson, the director of FactCheck, comments that "it all reflects a surge of paranoid distress among people who don't like Barack Obama" and who want the election results to go away.[108] Chip Berlet, a journalist who has studied the spread of conspiracy theories, notes "For some people, when their side loses an election, the only explanation that makes sense to them – that they can cope with – is that sinister, bad, evil people arranged some kind of fraud."[109] American political writer Dana Milbank, writing for the Washington Post, describes the Obama citizenship theories of Bob Schulz (chairman of the We the People Foundation, which in 2008 publicly challenged Obama's citizenship[110]) as "hysteria".[60] Colorado elector Camilla Auger, responding to lobbying of members of the state's electoral college, commented: "I was concerned that there are that many nutty people in the country making depressing, absurd allegations. There are so many problems in the country right now, we need to work together."[69]<br /><br />Some commentators have asserted that racism is a factor motivating the promotion of Obama citizenship conspiracy theories.[111] [112] J. Richard Cohen, the President of the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that monitors hate groups and extremism, wrote an e-mail to supporters in July 2009 declaring: "This conspiracy theory was concocted by an anti-Semite and circulated by racist extremists who cannot accept the fact that a black man has been elected president."[113]Only racists deny Obama is Americannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33353609326852837762010-08-15T20:03:18.726+01:002010-08-15T20:03:18.726+01:00According to Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty La...According to Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, "the birther movement has gained a large following on the radical right... it has been adopted by the most noxious elements out there." Some of those "noxious elements" include a number of avowed white-supremacist and neo-Nazi groups.[78] [79] James von Brunn, an avowed white supremacist charged as the gunman in the June 10, 2009 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting, had previously posted messages to the Internet accusing Obama and the media of hiding documents about his life.[80] [81] Ben Smith of The Politico commented: "The penetration of the birther mythology into the violent fringe has to be a worry for the Secret Service, because at its heart, it's about denying Obama's legitimacy to hold the office of president."[80]'Birthers' are racistsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-50894751384108440992010-08-15T20:00:20.384+01:002010-08-15T20:00:20.384+01:00The director of Hawaii's Department of Health,...The director of Hawaii's Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino, issued a statement confirming that the state held Obama's "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".[11][12] Noting "there have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate", Fukino explained that the department was prohibited by state law from releasing it to "persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record." She stated: "No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii."[Obama conspiracy theories 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-778325798576958532010-08-15T19:47:39.907+01:002010-08-15T19:47:39.907+01:00These claims are promoted by a number of fringe th...These claims are promoted by a number of fringe theorists and political opponents who filed lawsuits that sought to disqualify Obama from standing or being confirmed as President, or to obtain additional proof that he is qualified. Three were filed with and dismissed by the Supreme Court of the United States.[1][2] None of the cases have prevailed in lower courts.[3] Although Obama was confirmed as president-elect by Congress on January 8, 2009,[4] and sworn in as President on January 20,[5] litigation continued into his presidency. Those promoting these conspiracy theories are frequently called "birthers", paralleling "truthers"[6] for adherents of 9/11 conspiracy theories.[7]<br /><br />The Obama campaign released a 2007 certified copy of his birth certificate (in this instance referred to as a "Certification of Live Birth") that states Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961. Frequent arguments of those questioning Obama's eligibility are that he has not released a photocopy of his "original" birth certificate, and that the use of the term "certification of live birth" on the document means it is not equivalent to one's "birth certificate". These arguments have been debunked numerous times by media investigations,[8] every judicial forum that has addressed the matter, and Hawaiian government officials, a consensus of whom have concluded that the certificate released by the Obama campaign is indeed his official birth certificate.[9] Asked about this, Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo stated that Hawaii "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate".[10] Moreover, the director of her Department has confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".[11][12]<br /><br />Nevertheless, some Republican elected officials have expressed skepticism about Obama's citizenship or have displayed a lack of willingness to acknowledge it,[13] while Republican members of the U.S. Congress and state assemblies have proposed and voted for legislation that requires presidential candidates to provide documentation of their qualifications to be president, including natural-born citizenship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-88381472592328844492010-08-15T19:46:03.828+01:002010-08-15T19:46:03.828+01:00These claims are promoted by a number of fringe th...These claims are promoted by a number of fringe theorists and political opponents who filed lawsuits that sought to disqualify Obama from standing or being confirmed as President, or to obtain additional proof that he is qualified. Three were filed with and dismissed by the Supreme Court of the United States.[1][2] None of the cases have prevailed in lower courts.[3] Although Obama was confirmed as president-elect by Congress on January 8, 2009,[4] and sworn in as President on January 20,[5] litigation continued into his presidency. Those promoting these conspiracy theories are frequently called "birthers", paralleling "truthers"[6] for adherents of 9/11 conspiracy theories.[7]<br /><br />The Obama campaign released a 2007 certified copy of his birth certificate (in this instance referred to as a "Certification of Live Birth") that states Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961. Frequent arguments of those questioning Obama's eligibility are that he has not released a photocopy of his "original" birth certificate, and that the use of the term "certification of live birth" on the document means it is not equivalent to one's "birth certificate". These arguments have been debunked numerous times by media investigations,[8] every judicial forum that has addressed the matter, and Hawaiian government officials, a consensus of whom have concluded that the certificate released by the Obama campaign is indeed his official birth certificate.[9] Asked about this, Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo stated that Hawaii "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate".[10] Moreover, the director of her Department has confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".[11][12]<br /><br />Nevertheless, some Republican elected officials have expressed skepticism about Obama's citizenship or have displayed a lack of willingness to acknowledge it,[13] while Republican members of the U.S. Congress and state assemblies have proposed and voted for legislation that requires presidential candidates to provide documentation of their qualifications to be president, including natural-born citizenship.Conspiracy theories about Obama's nationalitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-69349278246751547452010-08-15T19:45:57.540+01:002010-08-15T19:45:57.540+01:00These claims are promoted by a number of fringe th...These claims are promoted by a number of fringe theorists and political opponents who filed lawsuits that sought to disqualify Obama from standing or being confirmed as President, or to obtain additional proof that he is qualified. Three were filed with and dismissed by the Supreme Court of the United States.[1][2] None of the cases have prevailed in lower courts.[3] Although Obama was confirmed as president-elect by Congress on January 8, 2009,[4] and sworn in as President on January 20,[5] litigation continued into his presidency. Those promoting these conspiracy theories are frequently called "birthers", paralleling "truthers"[6] for adherents of 9/11 conspiracy theories.[7]<br /><br />The Obama campaign released a 2007 certified copy of his birth certificate (in this instance referred to as a "Certification of Live Birth") that states Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961. Frequent arguments of those questioning Obama's eligibility are that he has not released a photocopy of his "original" birth certificate, and that the use of the term "certification of live birth" on the document means it is not equivalent to one's "birth certificate". These arguments have been debunked numerous times by media investigations,[8] every judicial forum that has addressed the matter, and Hawaiian government officials, a consensus of whom have concluded that the certificate released by the Obama campaign is indeed his official birth certificate.[9] Asked about this, Hawaiian Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo stated that Hawaii "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate".[10] Moreover, the director of her Department has confirmed that the state "has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".[11][12]<br /><br />Nevertheless, some Republican elected officials have expressed skepticism about Obama's citizenship or have displayed a lack of willingness to acknowledge it,[13] while Republican members of the U.S. Congress and state assemblies have proposed and voted for legislation that requires presidential candidates to provide documentation of their qualifications to be president, including natural-born citizenship.Conspiracy theories about Obama's nationalitynoreply@blogger.com