tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post5150537229720997975..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: Jon Cruddas MP Should Not Be Given a Platform at BlackfriarsThe Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-89434890738604860162011-10-26T14:30:07.405+01:002011-10-26T14:30:07.405+01:00We haven't closed down dialogue - I'm not ...We haven't closed down dialogue - I'm not sure why you've got that idea. There's no evidence to suggest that those who invited him will him in dialogue about his pro-abortion views and encourage him to respect all human life. In fact, by inviting him they are suggesting they approve of his actions.<br /><br />We're witnessing to the truth and thanks to our presence he will be reminded of the Catholic teaching on abortion. If we see him we'll be sure to talk to him.Paul Smeatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085686998646292793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-37297017912295788102011-10-26T00:52:24.670+01:002011-10-26T00:52:24.670+01:00If Jon Cruddas was not a Catholic, would you still...If Jon Cruddas was not a Catholic, would you still have a problem with him being at the conference? If you go down the route of refusing to engage with anybody who doesn't agree with you on abortion, then you are closing down dialogue with rather a lot of people.Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00843758098631948181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-24404225166096964682011-10-25T22:17:23.443+01:002011-10-25T22:17:23.443+01:00This man should be excommunicated. Surely he would...This man should be excommunicated. Surely he would have been before now if there was any backbone in the English hierarchy. He is a scandal to the Catholic faith.Anthony Radicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02604899095747004651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-75833836588274456112011-10-25T16:32:24.130+01:002011-10-25T16:32:24.130+01:00Inviting somebody to speak suggests approval for t...Inviting somebody to speak suggests approval for their actions.<br /><br />If Jon Cruddas had voted for and spoken in favour of killing Dominicans would he still be speaking at their conference?<br /><br />People who think that somebody at Blackfriars is going to engage with him about his views and attempt to change them are hoping that's going to happen - there's nothing to suggest it will. If that was the case Blackfriars might come out and explain that they're inviting him to speak as a crafty way to speak to him about these major areas of concern. That would certainly be a novel way of lobbying an MP, but we've no reason to think that even that is happening.Paul Smeatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085686998646292793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-14561728187897884702011-10-24T22:01:50.230+01:002011-10-24T22:01:50.230+01:00Juventum London - I would perhaps listen disrespec...Juventum London - I would perhaps listen disrespectfully, heckle, and get thrown out.<br /><br />On a less serious note, the gestureCruddas is making, hand to neck, is used by Polish men to indicate silently that a lot of alcohol was consumed by them.Left-footerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154175028539882422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-49112438695412542172011-10-24T17:50:46.166+01:002011-10-24T17:50:46.166+01:00Also this idea of a grilling is nonsense. Anyone w...Also this idea of a grilling is nonsense. Anyone who has been to a conference knows that - you get a paper for 45 minutes, then you have questions where it is socially unacceptable to respond after they have been answered.<br /><br />Admittedly the Dominicans do have more of a discussion than at other conferences. But either way, this politicians is being given a platform to speak for (probably around) 45 minutes. He is not being brought there to be debated or to be grilled. He is being brought to give a paper, to which the audience will sit and listen respectfully.Juventutem Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256922371357529056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-40509441504162407052011-10-24T17:46:39.916+01:002011-10-24T17:46:39.916+01:00You don't dialogue with terrorists.
If his vo...You don't dialogue with terrorists.<br /><br />If his voting record showed a 100% support of legislation in favour of killing foreigners, homosexuals - or Dominicans! - do you think that Black Friars would still give him a platform?<br /><br />His support for killing babies is beyond question. Why is that different?<br /><br />If you wanted to invite a top athlete to talk about sport at an event and it came out that he was in favour of killing ethnic minorities, the invitation would be revoked.<br /><br />What is there to dialogue about?<br /><br />I (in a personal capacity) wondered if it was an over-reaction, but the arguments in favour are specious and I think that the 'killing Dominicans' argument is convincing enough.Juventutem Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256922371357529056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-26229044116972886112011-10-24T10:31:39.142+01:002011-10-24T10:31:39.142+01:00One would hope that a pack of Dominicans would giv...One would hope that a pack of Dominicans would give him a grilling- although roasting might be better.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-26417502014132760962011-10-23T23:55:09.055+01:002011-10-23T23:55:09.055+01:00Maybe this is an over-reaction? The Dominicans are...Maybe this is an over-reaction? The Dominicans are not "endorsing" all of Jon Cruddas's views. They are just inviting him to a conference where, as an MP, he will give a talk about democracy. See here: http://www.bfriars.ox.ac.uk/iyln_events_item.php?id=141<br /><br />Why the need to shut Jon Cruddas out of the dialogue going on within the Catholic Church?Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00843758098631948181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-53914574978241085752011-10-23T23:00:04.152+01:002011-10-23T23:00:04.152+01:00Bones,
Said flyer contained this basically: http:...Bones,<br /><br />Said flyer contained this basically: http://faithfulnotcompromise.blogspot.com/Juventutem Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256922371357529056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-77380277056607951302011-10-23T22:39:00.465+01:002011-10-23T22:39:00.465+01:00"Jon Cruddas MP Should Not Be Given a Platfor..."Jon Cruddas MP Should Not Be Given a Platform at Blackfriars"<br /><br />I agree!<br /><br />ShadowlandsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-10092989107175775142011-10-23T22:33:55.790+01:002011-10-23T22:33:55.790+01:00And I thought the Dominicans were "safe"...And I thought the Dominicans were "safe".<br /><br />What can have possessed them?Left-footerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154175028539882422noreply@blogger.com