tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post4856980846432538938..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: Nelson Mandela RIPThe Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-91425341921401967012013-12-10T18:40:53.541+00:002013-12-10T18:40:53.541+00:00"Violence begets violence" I totally agr..."Violence begets violence" I totally agree!<br /><br />Now I see why Mandela thought it was really important that society be able to violently murder children in the womb (albeit in a nice sanitised environment - 'safe' abortion is just so important)...because he was trying to foster a society of peace. Thanks Phillip, it's all crystal clear to me now.Rhoslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974106206703455204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-23802577726519725512013-12-10T18:39:53.922+00:002013-12-10T18:39:53.922+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rhoslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974106206703455204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-31458167825761890532013-12-09T20:06:01.506+00:002013-12-09T20:06:01.506+00:00Rhoslyn, South Africa has many social problems but...Rhoslyn, South Africa has many social problems but it's not really surprising considering it's history. Violence begets violence and it was an extremely brutal regime under Apartheid. Many black women and children (and some men) were raped and sexually tortured by the white minority and that cycle of violence continues today. One of Mandela's virtues was to try and foster forgiveness and reconciliation so democracy could flourish. he was fairly successful in this, particularly relative to other African republics around that region. The governments formed since he left office have been more split and partisan but I don't know any country that doesn't have any problems.Philip Tottennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-40938792753318129212013-12-09T12:06:18.012+00:002013-12-09T12:06:18.012+00:00For clarity regarding Mandela's level of compl...For clarity regarding Mandela's level of complicity re abortion: Mandela has been quoted as saying on abortion: "Women have the right to decide what they want to do with their bodies." In 1996, Mandela signed into law the Choice on Termination of Pregnancy Bill, which permits abortion on demand. SPUC's pro-life colleagues in South Africa tells us that the bill was introduced into the South African parliament by Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, Mr Mandela's health minister. In addition, the wording of the new South African constitution, signed by Mr Mandela in 1996, had made the legalisation of abortion on demand a mere formality. Mr Mandela's African National Congress (ANC) has a strong ideological committment to abortion, with the ANC Women's League strongly behind the legalisation of abortion on demand. The ANC has for decades been in a close political and electoral alliance with the South African Communist Party (SACP) (Mr Mandela pictured with SACP leader Joe Slovo) which also has a strong ideological committment to abortion.Anthony Ozimichttp://www.spuc.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-33919209811725929602013-12-08T21:43:01.736+00:002013-12-08T21:43:01.736+00:00But there's no need to disregard all the good ...But there's no need to disregard all the good work he did simply because he supported a liberal abortion law. I mean, he was still a great man, right? Look, abortion is really not that much of an issue. It's *only* child slaughter, just calm down. <br />Mandela is definitely in heaven and he's probably Christ's right hand man. He's probably convincing Christ of the advantages of communism right now. Desmond Tutu is next in line for one of the top posts in heaven - a real inspiration to us all, especially all his work promoting contraception, abortion and 'gay rights'.<br /><br />Look at South Africa now - it's pretty much the land of the free! Mandela made everything great and they have no problems at all now. Except for that whole 1 in 3 men admitting to rape at least once and there still being massive inequality and corruption in government, theft, murder - minor things. Apart from that, they are all doing really well.Rhoslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974106206703455204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-14789508609260865562013-12-08T11:51:52.733+00:002013-12-08T11:51:52.733+00:00From Lifesitenews:
“May God rest Nelson Mandela, ...From Lifesitenews:<br /><br />“May God rest Nelson Mandela, the former president of South Africa who died last night, but it is absolutely vital that Catholic leaders do not allow themselves to become respecters of persons, swept away by personality cults."<br /><br />Mr Mandela has been quoted as saying on abortion: “Women have the right to decide what they want to do with their bodies.”<br /><br />http://www.lifenews.com/2013/12/06/unfortunately-nelson-mandela-signed-law-legalizing-unlimited-abortions/Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-65784544546157068332013-12-08T01:01:36.285+00:002013-12-08T01:01:36.285+00:00Sorry Rhoslyn but that is a lie. Mandela did not p...Sorry Rhoslyn but that is a lie. Mandela did not pass any abortion laws, the democratically elected parliament did. He is not personally responsible.<br /><br />Why do you think he was a ''bad'' person? Do you think that a fundamentally unjust civil system which brutally kept the majority of it's citizens in a subservient position - economically and electorally deprived is a good thing? If it wasn't for Mandela that would probably still be the case today.Philip Tottennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-55637827651751863692013-12-07T21:57:56.402+00:002013-12-07T21:57:56.402+00:00That's the point - he and his party and govern...That's the point - he and his party and government caused the bloodshed of numerous innocent, defenceless babies. Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714204002726632689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-9666990415059882422013-12-07T20:05:48.417+00:002013-12-07T20:05:48.417+00:00Mandela passed a very liberal abortion law in SA 2...Mandela passed a very liberal abortion law in SA 2 years after his election. The law includes forced abortion for mentally disabled women. <br /><br />He was not only NOT Christ-like, I think he was a bad person. He deserves our prayers because he had a soul and was made in God's image like the rest of us, but he certainly doesn't deserve praise. Rhoslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974106206703455204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-91212685842831385272013-12-07T18:58:52.605+00:002013-12-07T18:58:52.605+00:00Left-footer & Lynda - Nelson Mandela did not i...Left-footer & Lynda - Nelson Mandela did not introduce any abortion laws. However he did ratify them once the parliament had passed them which he was constitutionally obliged to do as President. There is a big difference. <br /><br />Indeed he was Christ-like in many ways although, of course, not in a perfect way. If it had not been for Mandela then there would not be a thriving democracy in South Africa and there would have been tremendous bloodshed and societal collapse.Philip Tottennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-10275429457941011702013-12-07T12:31:51.882+00:002013-12-07T12:31:51.882+00:00Lynda - Hear! Hear! Bravo!Lynda - Hear! Hear! Bravo!Left-footerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154175028539882422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-85957439116472494422013-12-06T23:03:31.193+00:002013-12-06T23:03:31.193+00:00One can't introduce a "law" providin...One can't introduce a "law" providing for the killing of innocent, defenceless children in utero (in the millions) and be "Christ-like". Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714204002726632689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-20988889492494988822013-12-06T21:03:22.840+00:002013-12-06T21:03:22.840+00:00I have read the telegraph piece and it doesn'...I have read the telegraph piece and it doesn't suggest that nelson mandela was Christ, only that he was Christ-like. As Christians we are called to be like Christ. I think nelson mandela exhibited many of the virtues of Christ (ie Christians virtues) such as compassion, forgiveness and charity. As far as I can tell, the only people who appear to be critical of the popular grief being expressed are the types who didn't want to see apartheid being contested and overcome.Philip Tottennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-8837366591678358282013-12-06T20:30:18.098+00:002013-12-06T20:30:18.098+00:00He was in favour of unrestricted abortion. For me,...He was in favour of unrestricted abortion. For me, that alone puts his beyond the pale. <br /><br />I see The Pope is reported as lauding the “commitment” of the political icon’s efforts promoting human dignity as well as unity in the country, the pontiff also prayed “that the late President’s example will inspire generations of South Africans to put justice and the common good at the forefront of their political aspirations.”<br /><br />So abortion is a part of justice and the common good!<br /><br />Huh!Left-footerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154175028539882422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-65391879865374562032013-12-06T19:00:36.042+00:002013-12-06T19:00:36.042+00:00Thanks you I thought it was just me who thinks thi...Thanks you I thought it was just me who thinks this whole circus should move out of town as soon as possibleSeaneinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01506043518713550239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-46370708385611629152013-12-06T18:59:36.894+00:002013-12-06T18:59:36.894+00:00Thank you I thought it was just me I am absolutely...Thank you I thought it was just me I am absolutely appalled by Osbournes blog in your telegraph. Glad to see there are a few people on the planet not taken in.Seaneinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01506043518713550239noreply@blogger.com