tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post3704763951604268190..comments2024-01-08T10:10:48.074+00:00Comments on That The Bones You Have Crushed May Thrill: In Praise of Paul PriestThe Boneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-37167448856631767492011-12-08T16:49:52.463+00:002011-12-08T16:49:52.463+00:00Btw, almost all of what you state in your list abo...Btw, almost all of what you state in your list above, aside from the Rosary, was believed by Early Christians. Of course the earliest Christians believed in the Assumption of Our Lady - remember, by Holy Tradition many of the Apostles were witness to it.<br /><br />Which particular Church teaching is it that you want the Holy Father to turn over and overrule all his holy and venerable predecessors by the way?The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-30532218893912208092011-12-08T16:46:48.310+00:002011-12-08T16:46:48.310+00:00Kevin
Since the beginning the Church has taught w...Kevin<br /><br />Since the beginning the Church has taught what constitutes a sin, that which offends God, and how to attain Salvation. <br /><br />Development of Doctrine concerning dogma pertaining to the Faith. Yes, it has developed but it hasn't been plucked out of thin air. The Holy Spirit has guided the Church and continues to guide Her, 'into all truth'. She cannot err in Her teaching. If I were to teach something different, I would err. If you were to teach something different, you too would err.<br /><br />Transubstantition, the Trinity - these are developments of doctrine, again not coming from out of nowhere. A rudimentary understanding of both are explicit in the Gospels.<br /><br />You've had your say and, as a rule, I don't allow stuff that goes against the Magisterium on here, as I don't want my blog ever to be a source of confusion. <br /><br />So, given that it is confusion and err you wish to spread, please, on your bike.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-5537972289595941812011-12-08T13:08:16.262+00:002011-12-08T13:08:16.262+00:00I repeat:
Concerning sin and salvation, nothing h...I repeat:<br /><br />Concerning sin and salvation, nothing has changed and I'd ask you to name some teaching concerning sin and salvation which has.<br /><br />...and you haven't.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-56189878029613089022011-12-08T12:25:19.511+00:002011-12-08T12:25:19.511+00:00I'm not sure what you're asking, but here&...I'm not sure what you're asking, but here's a list of major inventions in the Chruch:<br /><br />Prayers for the dead 300 A.D.<br /><br />Making the sign of the cross 300 A.D.<br /><br />Veneration of angels & dead saints 375 A.D.<br /><br />Use of images in worship 375 A.D.<br /><br />The Mass as a daily celebration 394 A.D.<br /><br />Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 593 A.D.<br /><br />Worship of cross, images & relics 786 A.D.<br /><br />Canonization of saints 995 A.D<br /><br />Celibacy of priesthood …1079 A.D.<br /><br />The Rosary 1090 A.D.<br /><br />Transubstantiation-Innocent 1215 A.D.<br /><br />Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma 1439 A.D.<br /><br />Apocryphal books added to Bible 1546 A.D.<br /><br />Immaculate Conception of Mary 1854 A.D.<br /><br />Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council 1870 A.D.<br /><br />Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) 1950 A.D.<br /><br />Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church 1965 A.D.<br /><br />Are those moral issues? Well, some clearly are. The problem is you a) simply assume the church always taught the same thing (which can be easily disproved by opening any catholic encyclopedia and checking the date of a doctrine concerning sin, you must have one around) and b)even if there is no formal teaching (or an explicit teaching,as when popes upto the 1800s said abortion was acceptable) you will say "wellobviously individuals can make mistakes". But when 1800 years' worth of popes make the mistake, it is no longer sensible to pretend that there is an unchanging traditionKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-48980265294589285252011-12-08T12:09:56.996+00:002011-12-08T12:09:56.996+00:00Concerning sin and salvation, nothing has changed ...Concerning sin and salvation, nothing has changed and I'd ask you to name some teaching concerning sin and salvation which has.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-87193969916870299102011-12-08T10:03:59.958+00:002011-12-08T10:03:59.958+00:00"The Holy Father doesn't have the authori..."The Holy Father doesn't have the authority to change the Church's teaching in Faith and Morals. What was true for men in the 1300s concerning the nature of sin and salvation is true for us today."<br /><br />Sorry, but you seem to be getting two separate issues confused. I'm not saying it is desirable to have future changes, I am saying, if you follow the teaching on any moral issue since 1300, the law of the church HAS changed, by implying it hasn't you are lying to yourself and giving the HMC's critics a rod to beat you with. You KNOW it's not true, just as well as the next man, so why follow satan by lying, even if it does feel right and holy to you?Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-23049716424397071632011-12-07T17:45:22.508+00:002011-12-07T17:45:22.508+00:00Kevin - sorry but you really just don't get wh...Kevin - sorry but you really just don't get who we are and what we do...but it doesn't stop you commenting on it.On the side of the angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558623489507006790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-21262713779154734562011-12-07T15:43:12.436+00:002011-12-07T15:43:12.436+00:00The Holy Father doesn't have the authority to ...The Holy Father doesn't have the authority to change the Church's teaching in Faith and Morals. What was true for men in the 1300s concerning the nature of sin and salvation is true for us today.<br /><br />If you're looking for a change to the Church's teaching, well, you can wait, but I expect you'll be waiting an Eternity.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-3800442140374488862011-12-07T12:22:35.049+00:002011-12-07T12:22:35.049+00:00True Laurence, but I would argue the pope does hav...True Laurence, but I would argue the pope does have the power to set the laws of the Church (obviously not everything he says becomes a deontological basis for our conduct). The laws were not handed down to any manifestation of Peter's successor in their entirety, God foresaw free will and social change. How else can we explain the changing nature of Catholic laws over the last 1500 years?Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-36997770017474914962011-12-07T08:42:21.277+00:002011-12-07T08:42:21.277+00:00The Pope doesn't 'set the laws' of the...The Pope doesn't 'set the laws' of the Church. He guards that which has been handed to him.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-30780133939506692212011-12-07T08:22:29.292+00:002011-12-07T08:22:29.292+00:00"you're obviously not a reader of Damian&..."you're obviously not a reader of Damian's blog - considering over the past four years I've contributed over 18,000 posts to it"<br /><br />You're obviously not a worker! How on earth are you proud that you've wasted 18,000 posts arguing on a blog that concerns a subject you have no power to intervene in? You don't set the laws of the church, the pope does. You can follow them or not, but if I err it is not up to you to correct me, thank you very much, but the HFKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-71435492365695038792011-12-06T22:33:26.558+00:002011-12-06T22:33:26.558+00:00Blush!
Loz I adore you like a brother but please.....Blush!<br />Loz I adore you like a brother but please...it's the message that's important - and it's making me look like some raving obsessive when I spend my life banging it home again & again about Connexions & the LCP - because I couldn't live with myself or look myself in the mirror if I didn't do something - I can't camp outside Eccleston Sq as Paul Smeaton suggested - so I do what I can - and that's shout a lot!<br /><br />The solicitor and campaigner Nicolas Bellord is the man to ask about the John & Lizzie - if it weren't for his vigilance and unswerving devotion most of us would have been hoodwinked into believing everything had been resolved there - it hasn't!<br /><br />Annie - t'would never happen - I am indeed an non-entity<br /><br />Kevin - I'm not really an angry blogger/commentator - that role was thrust upon me because I'm at present absolutely incredulous at what's happening around us..you're obviously not a reader of Damian's blog - considering over the past four years I've contributed over 18,000 posts to it and helped lead the Catholic position [with a few others] from inside the comments box itself - but yes - I am a non-entity - a no-good shelf-stacking waste of space with neither credentials nor credibility.<br /><br />Annie - don't give up on Damian - don't forget he's inundated with a heavy workload at the Telegraph as well as spending months researching/writing his book on addiction - don't forget he's the man who rescued the Papal visit - and for that we are eternally indebted to him.On the side of the angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558623489507006790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-79202268708942003772011-12-06T12:41:20.694+00:002011-12-06T12:41:20.694+00:00Annie, it would be a disaster. There are hundreds ...Annie, it would be a disaster. There are hundreds of blogs denouncing this, that and the other. Damian's blog is semi-famous because a) it is written by a respected journalist and therefore represents the thoughts of someone known for something other than a religiously themed blog and b) can piggy-back the popularity of a large national newspaper, comments are seen by the readership of (potentially) millions and are seen not only by the core of 40 or so commenters that a typical angry blog attracts. I am not familiar with PP's work, but with the greatest possible respect, even he would have to accept he is a 'non-entity' as far as the public goes, so the Holy Smoke blog would cease to be a publicly visible forum hosted by a proper journalist and become another small dissenting blog with a readership of dozens and a core comment base of about 10 regulars. It just wouldn't work, Catholic bloggers are popular with other Catholic bloggers, it's a micro-economy where each person relies on posts from others and makes posts in return, the whole thing would implode into 'just another angry blog'Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2389530333077823143.post-12521360073582067402011-12-05T23:28:45.265+00:002011-12-05T23:28:45.265+00:00As Damian has lost interest in fighting for the Ca...As Damian has lost interest in fighting for the Catholic faith, perhaps Paul Priest could be hired to take over the Holy Smoke blog and continue with the work that Damian had started. Paul has an in-depth knowledge of the inner workings of the Catholic Church in England and isn't afraid to call a spade a spade and to challenge the shepherds who are in open revolt against the teachings of the Church. Anyway, if you have Damian's ear would you please suggest it?Annienoreply@blogger.com